Wie is hier zowel tegen softdrugs als tegen harddrugs?
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ik ben niet tegen drank en sigaretten, maar wel tegen pillen als XTC, GHB en dat soort shit
Ja precies... gelukkig gaan er geen mensen dood van alcohol en sigaretten
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ik had wel verwacht dat er iemand gelijk weer commentaar zou hebben
laat mij asjeblieft mijn eigen mening hebben, ok?
of is dat teveel gevraagd soms?!?
of bedoel je het serieus?
laat mij asjeblieft mijn eigen mening hebben, ok?
of is dat teveel gevraagd soms?!?
of bedoel je het serieus?
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Nee hoor... is zeker niet te veel gevraagd!
Is alleen een beetje hypocriet, vind je niet?!
Is alleen een beetje hypocriet, vind je niet?!
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nee dat is zeker niet hypocriet, want bij sigaretten en alcohol moet je het wel heel erg overmatig gebruiken om er dood aan te gaan
bij de sterkere drugs kan veel sneller allemaal voorbij zijn
(en met drank denk ik ff de sterkere dranken weg, maar ik heb het gewoon over bier, wijn, enz)
bij de sterkere drugs kan veel sneller allemaal voorbij zijn
(en met drank denk ik ff de sterkere dranken weg, maar ik heb het gewoon over bier, wijn, enz)
i 
drugs
drugs
Wij mogen toch ook een eigen mening hebben. Niet alleen jij
iedereen moet gewoon zelf weten wat ie met zun lichaam doet. als ik vet veel wil snuife dan moet dat kunnen.
bij de sterkere drugs kan veel sneller allemaal voorbij zijn
Nou... dan heb je het wel over zéér overmatig gebruik!
En bij zéér overmatig alcohol gebruik kan het ook snel voorbij zijn!
Maargoed, heb verder weinig zin in deze discussie...
2 peach: sigaretten zorgen ervoor dat als de verslaving eenmaal eenfeit is dat het heel moeilijk wordt om eraf te komen. Dus je wordt gewongen er belachelijk veel van te gebruiken tot messchien wel je dood.
ik ben er tegen.... 
maar iedereen moet zelf uit maken wat ie doe... or...
maar iedereen moet zelf uit maken wat ie doe... or...Dus je wordt gewongen er belachelijk veel van te gebruiken tot messchien wel je dood.
gelukkig leven we maar 1 keer
het blijft gewoon moelijk om te zeggen wanneer een drgs harddrugs is. sommige drugs zijn harddrugs omdat ze heel verslavend zijn, sommige omdat ze een hevige trip hebben en anderen omdat ze gewoon heel slecht voor je zijn.
en eigemnlijk komen alcohol en peukmansen er dan niet zo goed vanaf. Oftewel ook gewoon harddruks en met reden.
en eigemnlijk komen alcohol en peukmansen er dan niet zo goed vanaf. Oftewel ook gewoon harddruks en met reden.
als je dan naar andere drugs kijkt zijn er best wat drugs die wel meevallen hoe schadelijk ze zijn....
PEP!
PEP!
http://www.drugsbeleid.nl/nederlands/faq.htm
Vraag 5
5.
VRAAG: Drugs zijn toch veel gevaarlijker dan alcohol en tabak ?
ANTWOORD:
Het aantal verslaafden en doden tengevolge van drugsgebruik is uiterst bescheiden vergeleken met alcohol en tabak. Er zijn in ons land 22x meer alcoholisten dan drugsverslaafden, en er vallen 12x meer doden door alcohol (nog zonder het verkeer), en 133x meer doden door tabak !
http://www.js.nl/?credo=17
En nog een linkje check alle tabellen eens!
Vraag 5
5.
VRAAG: Drugs zijn toch veel gevaarlijker dan alcohol en tabak ?
ANTWOORD:
Het aantal verslaafden en doden tengevolge van drugsgebruik is uiterst bescheiden vergeleken met alcohol en tabak. Er zijn in ons land 22x meer alcoholisten dan drugsverslaafden, en er vallen 12x meer doden door alcohol (nog zonder het verkeer), en 133x meer doden door tabak !
http://www.js.nl/?credo=17
En nog een linkje check alle tabellen eens!
interessante link!
Drugs is fijn maar gebruik het niet teveel want anders heb je een probleem
hahahaha dat rijmt
hahahaha dat rijmt
Al dat fucking gezeur over drugs altijd.
Toen ik nog geen drugs gebruikte dacht ik ook dat
het verslavend is en heel erg voor je lichaam.
Ik kan je vertellen kan sneller een lijntje laten
liggen. Dan een peuk..
Toen ik nog geen drugs gebruikte dacht ik ook dat
het verslavend is en heel erg voor je lichaam.
Ik kan je vertellen kan sneller een lijntje laten
liggen. Dan een peuk..
Maby a stupid question 
.....but what is considered "softdrugs" and what is considered "harddrugs" ?
greets Peter from the land of no-drugs...
.....but what is considered "softdrugs" and what is considered "harddrugs" ?greets Peter from the land of no-drugs...
Weed is concidered soft, xtc, speed etc is hard 
dancingdame... thx
Recently in sweden, the most popular party of the year was shutdown by the police and the organizers are not allowed to make a new one .... out of 2000 guests 33 were supspected to have used some kind of drug soft or hard... it proved after testing that one of them had been using xtc ...
sweden is prety much anti-drugs... it's illegal to sell, posess and to have used.
I can infact get prosecuted for smoking weed in holland and then going home and having weed in my system...
Recently in sweden, the most popular party of the year was shutdown by the police and the organizers are not allowed to make a new one .... out of 2000 guests 33 were supspected to have used some kind of drug soft or hard... it proved after testing that one of them had been using xtc ...
sweden is prety much anti-drugs... it's illegal to sell, posess and to have used.
I can infact get prosecuted for smoking weed in holland and then going home and having weed in my system...
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OMG! I couldn't imagine they'd do that at In Qontrol this weekend...
And how many of those people do you think, were actually using any kind of drugs that night?
And how many of those people do you think, were actually using any kind of drugs that night?
Well, I would say that around 20-30 persons were pretty stoned. But not like some totally stoned people I've seen when visited in Holland ... 
... but rather half of that look.
But I think maby around 100 maby even 200 or so had used some form of drugs that night.
... but rather half of that look.But I think maby around 100 maby even 200 or so had used some form of drugs that night.
Recently in sweden, the most popular party of the year was shutdown by the police and the organizers are not allowed to make a new one .... out of 2000 guests 33 were supspected to have used some kind of drug soft or hard... it proved after testing that one of them had been using xtc ...
sweden is prety much anti-drugs... it's illegal to sell, posess and to have used.
I can infact get prosecuted for smoking weed in holland and then going home and having weed in my system
sweden is prety much anti-drugs... it's illegal to sell, posess and to have used.
I can infact get prosecuted for smoking weed in holland and then going home and having weed in my system
Thats are some shocking facts PeterSWE!
Maybe you can try and say you are forced to use drugs by real offensive guys
ConCept: "...officer... i swear... the made me do xtc... *paus* ...rectally!"
Well,, sweden has very strict laws and people here are pretty much used to it.
In sweden "techno"-music (what everyday people call anything scooter and above) and pretty much all other forms of electronic music are considered as "the devil" much like the rock'n'roll music back in the old days when Elvis started to swing his hips...
so...people who visit raves are pretty used to it.
Well,, sweden has very strict laws and people here are pretty much used to it.
In sweden "techno"-music (what everyday people call anything scooter and above) and pretty much all other forms of electronic music are considered as "the devil" much like the rock'n'roll music back in the old days when Elvis started to swing his hips...
so...people who visit raves are pretty used to it.
Engels is iets teveel van het goede op het moment..
Recently in sweden, the most popular party of the year was shutdown by the police and the organizers are not allowed to make a new one .... out of 2000 guests 33 were supspected to have used some kind of drug soft or hard... it proved after testing that one of them had been using xtc ...
In sweden "techno"-music (what everyday people call anything scooter and above) and pretty much all other forms of electronic music are considered as "the devil" much like the rock'n'roll music back in the old days when Elvis started to swing his hips...
Damn, I never thought Sweden was that conservative and narrow-minded!!
Yeah Sweden is a beautifull country, but never thought the people could be so narrow minded... I mean, thinking that it is the music of the devil.... djeez...
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Well, I would say that around 20-30 persons were pretty stoned. But not like some totally stoned people I've seen when visited in Holland ... ... but rather half of that look.
whehehe....thats a fuckin laugh
i was in barcalona with some stockholm friends....
and they were not only smoking
milos... well,, ofcourse we have people who do drugs... I'm not saying that... but when people get stoned home in sweden... they seldom/never do it out in public...since it is illegal.
But swedes on vacation,, well,, thats a different story.
dancingdame: ..well, luckily its mostly the police and some of the older generations who thinks bad of electronic music... we will probably see some changes the coming years, in the late 90's it was really bad.
For example...The most famous underground raveclub called Docklands i Stockholm could have a bust from the police where they strip-searched 100% of the guest outside the veneue (lokatie)... this done in -10 C in the middle of the winter.
Dubzone: Well... us young people up to 30...we're not that narrowminded.. atleast about music,, but concerning drugs ...the majority of swedes are against,, come to think of it I haven't ever heard anyone speak up in public about legalizing even softdrugs... it's been written on the internet but people think it's such a stupid idéa that they see it as a joke.
But swedes on vacation,, well,, thats a different story.
dancingdame: ..well, luckily its mostly the police and some of the older generations who thinks bad of electronic music... we will probably see some changes the coming years, in the late 90's it was really bad.
For example...The most famous underground raveclub called Docklands i Stockholm could have a bust from the police where they strip-searched 100% of the guest outside the veneue (lokatie)... this done in -10 C in the middle of the winter.
Dubzone: Well... us young people up to 30...we're not that narrowminded.. atleast about music,, but concerning drugs ...the majority of swedes are against,, come to think of it I haven't ever heard anyone speak up in public about legalizing even softdrugs... it's been written on the internet but people think it's such a stupid idéa that they see it as a joke.
Dubzone: Well... us young people up to 30...we're not that narrowminded.. atleast about music,, but concerning drugs ...the majority of swedes are against,, come to think of it I haven't ever heard anyone speak up in public about legalizing even softdrugs... it's been written on the internet but people think it's such a stupid idéa that they see it as a joke.
I didn't mean that the younger generation was narrow-minded
And for the Dutch people it's very hard to understand that people are that much against all froms of using drugs (even softdrugs!)... I think the mayority of the people in The Netherlands (the younger generation) is openminded when it comes to drugs... Either if they are using or not!
alleen tegen hard drugs
Na zelf een jaar of 3 behoorlijk veel gebruikt te hebben ben ik nu gestopt met zowel soft- als harddrugs, en zelfs met roken.
Sinds ik gestopt ben hebben de mensen waarvan ik dacht dat ze mn vrienden waren me keihard laten vallen, en als ik dan kijk waar zij de hele dag mee bezig zijn, dan is dat gebruiken. Heb een aantal van mn vrienden echt heel negatief zien veranderden van die troep, misschien wel zonder het zelf door te hebben maar ben blij dat ik er nu vanaf ben. Was een grote fout er ooit aan te beginnen !
Als mensen willen gebruiken moeten ze dat zelf weten, maar NIET als je met mij alleen bent, en als t mis gaat laat ik je, na je uitgelachen te hebben, gewoon liggen
Sinds ik gestopt ben hebben de mensen waarvan ik dacht dat ze mn vrienden waren me keihard laten vallen, en als ik dan kijk waar zij de hele dag mee bezig zijn, dan is dat gebruiken. Heb een aantal van mn vrienden echt heel negatief zien veranderden van die troep, misschien wel zonder het zelf door te hebben maar ben blij dat ik er nu vanaf ben. Was een grote fout er ooit aan te beginnen !
Als mensen willen gebruiken moeten ze dat zelf weten, maar NIET als je met mij alleen bent, en als t mis gaat laat ik je, na je uitgelachen te hebben, gewoon liggen
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Dubz, yes its a GREAT difference between our communities.
Beeing against drugs is only one of them..I could list numerous more..
But I have to admit, that I'm glad we have a low tolerance against drugs... in the end I recognize this when I think of myself as a future parent. I'm glad I can raze my family in a, more or less, drug-free enviroment
Beeing against drugs is only one of them..I could list numerous more..
But I have to admit, that I'm glad we have a low tolerance against drugs... in the end I recognize this when I think of myself as a future parent. I'm glad I can raze my family in a, more or less, drug-free enviroment
good for you!
You think that in your country there are less drug users???
Hahahaha Holland has the lowest % of people who have an drug addiction in Europe!
Low tolerance against drugs means more criminality!
You think that in your country there are less drug users???
Hahahaha Holland has the lowest % of people who have an drug addiction in Europe!
Low tolerance against drugs means more criminality!
PinoB, are there actually any statistic reports that compare European countries on equal terms?
yes, I think that in our country there are less drug users. In fact,, I would say that I know so...
Come on, it's really not even possible to compare percentage.
Say you have 10% drug addicts according to your government or some statistic bureau.
And sweden claims to have 15% drug addicts according to our government or Bureau of central statistics.
this would mean that in Holland, 10% out of 17 million citizens are addicts = 1.7 millions.
And in sweden it would mean, 15 % out of 9 millions are addicts = 1.35 millions.
And on top of this... i know that sweden would consider casual use of cannabis as drug addiction... where I have no clue how your government would stand on the issue of soft drugs or even casual use of hard drugs.
Low tolerance against drugs...well,, I just think it singles out the criminals leaving them alone in the business... and makes normal people honest citizen stop selling what is illegal.
...oh and Pino, I'm not claiming "ho ho ho,, we're so fucking much better than you..."! so don't read it like that, I'm just stating some objective thoughts.
I still think Holland is a great country, otherwise I wouldnt visit it so often...
yes, I think that in our country there are less drug users. In fact,, I would say that I know so...
Come on, it's really not even possible to compare percentage.
Say you have 10% drug addicts according to your government or some statistic bureau.
And sweden claims to have 15% drug addicts according to our government or Bureau of central statistics.
this would mean that in Holland, 10% out of 17 million citizens are addicts = 1.7 millions.
And in sweden it would mean, 15 % out of 9 millions are addicts = 1.35 millions.
And on top of this... i know that sweden would consider casual use of cannabis as drug addiction... where I have no clue how your government would stand on the issue of soft drugs or even casual use of hard drugs.
Low tolerance against drugs...well,, I just think it singles out the criminals leaving them alone in the business... and makes normal people honest citizen stop selling what is illegal.
...oh and Pino, I'm not claiming "ho ho ho,, we're so fucking much better than you..."! so don't read it like that, I'm just stating some objective thoughts.
I still think Holland is a great country, otherwise I wouldnt visit it so often...
I know that 1.7 million is more than 1.35 but its different more like 150 on 1000 people against 100 on 1000 So 15% is more than 10%
And in all reasearces they take the same standards!
They also count the cannabis users in holland as addictives!
There are over 1000 reasearces that say that low tolerance against drugs leads to more criminality!
And also low tolerance against drugs leads to more dangerous situations! no/bad information etc!
(I'm glad I can raze my family in a, more or less, drug-free enviroment)>> your words that's why i think you said we are better than holland!
And in all reasearces they take the same standards!
They also count the cannabis users in holland as addictives!
There are over 1000 reasearces that say that low tolerance against drugs leads to more criminality!
And also low tolerance against drugs leads to more dangerous situations! no/bad information etc!
(I'm glad I can raze my family in a, more or less, drug-free enviroment)>> your words that's why i think you said we are better than holland!
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niet echt als je er mee omweet tegaan niet.maar nu ligt het bij mijn anders,ik gebruik het om ellende uit de weg tegaan maar dat heb niet geholpen nu in terapie.
dus ik ben er wel en niet op tegen
dus ik ben er wel en niet op tegen
Pino.. Hm,, I still am pretty certain that holland have larger problems with drug addicts than sweden. I think you have a larger "dark number" of addicts that doesn't show in you statistics.... this is ofcourse a guess.
But I can give an example why im guessing so...
I know this guy who uses XTC in my town (100 000 citizens). I see him out every weekend, and sometimes i recognize him have done some XTC or E. It's not that he's some kind of junkie... he just want to have fun during parties.
The other weekend he was caught by a undercover police who attended the nightclub in search for any criminal activities.
His crime was not to possess or having sold, but to be high on XTC. After this he gets in the system and in the statistics as an drug addict, he has a few months to spend with meetins with psychiatrists and social offices.. all this to make him change his drug-use, if this gives little effect he can be send to a drug-clinic to end his addiction.
...would the same thing happen in holland? A guy...doing a pill... found at a nightclub...Would this person get in you statistics as a drug addict?
well... I ofcourse have no idéa...but, I think ..that in sweden a higher amount of people get caught and thrown into our statistic and into our anti-drug "program" ...
But I can give an example why im guessing so...
I know this guy who uses XTC in my town (100 000 citizens). I see him out every weekend, and sometimes i recognize him have done some XTC or E. It's not that he's some kind of junkie... he just want to have fun during parties.
The other weekend he was caught by a undercover police who attended the nightclub in search for any criminal activities.
His crime was not to possess or having sold, but to be high on XTC. After this he gets in the system and in the statistics as an drug addict, he has a few months to spend with meetins with psychiatrists and social offices.. all this to make him change his drug-use, if this gives little effect he can be send to a drug-clinic to end his addiction.
...would the same thing happen in holland? A guy...doing a pill... found at a nightclub...Would this person get in you statistics as a drug addict?
well... I ofcourse have no idéa...but, I think ..that in sweden a higher amount of people get caught and thrown into our statistic and into our anti-drug "program" ...
hoeveelste anti drugs topic is dit joh?
Why is being high of XTC a crime???
Being drunk of alcohol causes much more problems! XTC makes people love! Alcohol makes people agrassive!
Being drunk of alcohol causes much more problems! XTC makes people love! Alcohol makes people agrassive!
Well, only our founding fathers..ho ho..can answer that...but, well.. as I said, sweden is very anti-drugs...
It is a crime to be high on xtc, cannabis, heroine, cocaine...etc... Narcotics
It's also a crime, not as bad tough, to use medicines without a prescription...such as valium ..etc.
In the early 90's it was only illegal to posess and sell... but with the change of laws that made it illegal to have drugs in your body (beeing high) made it easy for the police to hunt down drugusers.
I agree that drunk retards are really annoying...and I would prefer to meet a 'loving' xtc user instead... but, this is not the swedish model ... swedes drink, and we drink ALOT! I've got myself a friend who's about 178 cm's tall and weight about 55-58 kg's ... = he is quite short and VERY thin... this guy can easily crack an entire bottle of Jack Daniels in a night and not appear to be to drunk... when he goes above 1 litre of 40% alcohol..then he starts to act drunk...
He drinks atleast 2 times a week...
So...well,, if we have some sort of problem in sweden..it sure is drinking...
It is a crime to be high on xtc, cannabis, heroine, cocaine...etc... Narcotics
It's also a crime, not as bad tough, to use medicines without a prescription...such as valium ..etc.
In the early 90's it was only illegal to posess and sell... but with the change of laws that made it illegal to have drugs in your body (beeing high) made it easy for the police to hunt down drugusers.
I agree that drunk retards are really annoying...and I would prefer to meet a 'loving' xtc user instead... but, this is not the swedish model ... swedes drink, and we drink ALOT! I've got myself a friend who's about 178 cm's tall and weight about 55-58 kg's ... = he is quite short and VERY thin... this guy can easily crack an entire bottle of Jack Daniels in a night and not appear to be to drunk... when he goes above 1 litre of 40% alcohol..then he starts to act drunk...
He drinks atleast 2 times a week...
So...well,, if we have some sort of problem in sweden..it sure is drinking...
Anti drugs is gebaseert op een eenzijdig beeld, niet per see omdat diegene slechte ervaringen heeft of het zelf nog nooit heeft gedaan maar ook omdat de feiten gewoon anders zeggen.
Er is een groot verschil tussen gebruik en misbruik.
Waarom zijn mensen anti drugs, hebben ze harde feiten of alleen PERSOONLIJKE ervaringen?
Veel mensen die anti drugs denken zien alleen het straatbeeld en de party's, psychonautisme is een woord wat ze niet kennen.
Medicijnen die psycho-active werkingen hebben kunnen ook recreatief gebruikt worden terwijl andere er veel baat bij hebben.
Het is niet de drugs die het doet maar juist de mensen die er verkeerd mee omgaan, hoe is het mogelijk dat je een verbinding van moleculen de schuld geeft van wat mensen zelf doen?
Er is een groot verschil tussen gebruik en misbruik.
Waarom zijn mensen anti drugs, hebben ze harde feiten of alleen PERSOONLIJKE ervaringen?
Veel mensen die anti drugs denken zien alleen het straatbeeld en de party's, psychonautisme is een woord wat ze niet kennen.
Medicijnen die psycho-active werkingen hebben kunnen ook recreatief gebruikt worden terwijl andere er veel baat bij hebben.
Het is niet de drugs die het doet maar juist de mensen die er verkeerd mee omgaan, hoe is het mogelijk dat je een verbinding van moleculen de schuld geeft van wat mensen zelf doen?
agree that drunk retards are really annoying...and I would prefer to meet a 'loving' xtc user instead... but, this is not the swedish model ... swedes drink, and we drink ALOT! I've got myself a friend who's about 178 cm's tall and weight about 55-58 kg's ... = he is quite short and VERY thin... this guy can easily crack an entire bottle of Jack Daniels in a night and not appear to be to drunk... when he goes above 1 litre of 40% alcohol..then he starts to act drunk...
He drinks atleast 2 times a week...
He drinks atleast 2 times a week...
I assume you do realize that alcohol is a form of 'hard-drugs'... I mean:
- It can be addictive
- It can be very bad for your health
- And people can realy DIE from alcohol- abuse!!
(just to name a couple)
But only because it's legal, people don't see alcohol as a drug... I think that is really hypocrite!!
Also with cigarettes, DubzOne.
PeterSWE, how is the gouvernments critizm to that?
PeterSWE, how is the gouvernments critizm to that?
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stemming daalt...
stemming daalt...
klopt dancingdame, maar toevallig haalde hij dit alcohol verhaal aan... vandaar!
I know, maar ik wilde dat ene ook ff weten
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zullen we weer verder gaan in t nederlands dan maar?
Dubz ... I agree on the alcohol issue,, I'm not pro heavy use of alcohol.. I think ppl get pretty retarded when drinking to much and I think it enhances their negative personal sides greatly. I also recognize the danger in drinking...
dancingdame: concerning cigarettes we have had a few years of very positive anti-tobacco campaigns... it's really not that 'cool' to smoke cigarettes, as it was 10 years ago.. probably we will see a steady fall of tobacco use over the next 10 years in sweden.. i like that alot, not due to the health issues..just that it's really annoying having a cigarette in your face every now and then...
dancingdame: concerning cigarettes we have had a few years of very positive anti-tobacco campaigns... it's really not that 'cool' to smoke cigarettes, as it was 10 years ago.. probably we will see a steady fall of tobacco use over the next 10 years in sweden.. i like that alot, not due to the health issues..just that it's really annoying having a cigarette in your face every now and then...