WO II en het occulte

Dit topic is niet bedoeld als verering van Hitler. Er is niets racistisch aan en het is mijn bedoeling een zinnige en serieuze discussie te starten mbt tot geschiedenis en mysterie

Er zijn tientallen verwijzingen te vinden dat Hitler niet zomaar een man was met een gruwelijke hekel aan joden en een drang naar absolute wereldmacht maar er zou een complete occulte rite achter zitten. Ook Winston Churchill geloofde dit maar wilde het niet kenbaar maken aan de mensheid omdat deze hier nog niet klaar voor zou zijn.

In een vroeg stadium in Hitlers machtsperiode was er een beeltenis van hem in een Tempeliers-kostuum. Dit werd echter al snel uit de handel gehaald omdat dit de ware toedracht van Hitlers bedoelingen bekend zou maken. Ook Hitler was namelijk op zoek naar de Heilige Graal (de kelk waarin het bloed van Jezus werd opgevangen bij zijn kruiziging) en dit was één van de voornaamste (verborgen) taken van de SS.

Hitler was er ook van overtuigd dat hij een nieuwe , geestelijke wereldleider was dat het zijn taak was de wereld in een "nieuwe wereld" te luiden waarin hij ook het christelijke geloof wilde vervangen. Zo zouden alle kruizen vervangen worden door Swastika's. In een kasteel in Büren (Wewelsburg) was dit al gebeurd.



Dit kasteel zou ook het centrum worden van de nieuwe Godsdienst en zou het grootste heiligdom op aarde worden. Ook de paus zou hierin terecht gesteld worden...




De tweede wereldoorlog heeft me altijd geintrigreerd.. Ik heb nooit kunnen bevatten hoe 1 man zo veel teweeg kon brengen. Ik geloof dan ook wel in het bovenstaande en vraag me soms af hoe de wereld zou zijn geworden als Hitler de oorlog daadwerkelijk gewonnen had.... een oorlog die voor hem ook heilig was....

kun je die films van alex jones ook ergens downloaden? lijkt me wel interesant om eens te bekijken. Ik zou bijvoorbeeld graag eens 911 the way to tiranny zien om meer te weten te komen over de illuminati.

Ik ben gister begonnnen aan "the omega file" maar das wel rauwe kost zeg

alles wat je weten wil over de ware aard van 9-11

blijven we wel ff ontopic, limbo?

ik been geen limbo

maar een verdwaalde hollander

anyway, tis niet echt meer ontopic nee, opzich via de banden wel, namelijk als je nazi duitsland relateerd naar nieuw nazi duitsland in america en hoe alles mooi gedirigeerd werd door de illuminati.

maar het heeft idd weinig met hitler te maken pardon

al die info stijgt me naar het hoofd; het moet er gewoon uit

het zij u vergeven....


maar leg dan iig de relevantie ff uit.. dat houdt het spannend...

The information that I need to impart is that in the year 1930 the gray aliens approached Adolph Hitler and made the proposal promising him world control, offering him technological advances, offering him supremacy.

'Tis obvious that an alien technology, an alien culture, particularly one as alien as the gray beings would be most impressive. Their technological displays, far in advance of anything humanity possesses then or now, was most seductive.

Hitler had a charisma and initially a sense of caring for the plight of the German people who had been unfairly treated after the debacle of the first world war; the war to end all wars.

This abuse of the general population of the German people opened the door for the gray aliens. They saw it as an opportunity to achieve their goal of establishing a legitimate presence on earth. They knew that the regulators, the keepers of the peace, would stop them from invading or subjugating humanity. But the loophole that they sought consisted of creating a form superior to the human form but being a part of themselves so that they could stake a claim of legitimacy to the planet Earth.

Mr. Hitler was most impressed by their technologies and was led to believe that he would have free access to this technology. Being a brilliant, if not unstable individual, he recognized the potential. This spurred him to establish his network.

Convincing people with power to follow him was a relatively simple task when he displayed proof of the aliens and their technology. For the tough sell cases direct meetings took place with the gray aliens present; obviously a very impactful presentation. His isolated mountain chalet was the meeting site for contact with these gray aliens.

This was the beginning of his rise to power. And utilizing the individuals in key positions that were impressed by the technology and the mere existence of the gray race was how he managed to achieve power and ultimately a dictatorship over the German people.

The down trodden German people were too willing to follow anyone who offered to feed them, which they were starving, and regain their pride, in which the Germanic population is a very proud people. There would not have been the seeds of the second world war planted if the dignity of the German people had been respected.

Believing that he had full support, full access to the technology and even a promise of direct intervention if necessary, Mr. Hitler proceeded with his plans to eliminate the obstacles to becoming ruler of the world.

This belief of omnipotence inspired by the gray aliens infused the German people. The animation, the power, the charisma that was a part of this brilliant but unstable personality was spurred to even greater heights by the gray's omnisentience.

When he spoke to the German people he spoke with conviction. He spoke with the belief that the German people, with the alliance, with gray aliens, were invincible. Mr. Hitler chose as associates, people who had no scruples. He needed people that would do whatever was necessary to eliminate the obstacles in his path to supreme rule. This of course necessitated the murder of thousands of individuals, thousands of his own people, which was done systematically and efficiently. So much so that the world did not realize what was occurring. Even the German people had no conception that many of the key thinking people of their country were disappearing or dying under mysterious circumstances.

In his discussions with the gray aliens they conveyed to him their need to perpetuate their race. They told him that due to some ailment that all of their race suffered from, that they were dying and they needed to create a being that was part human and part alien to continue their civilization so that they could continue to assist him in the establishment of the Reich.

Having no compassion or concern for the well being of humanity, they utilized their technological resources to identify individuals that would oppose Mr. Hitler's plans. One of the key groups targeted were the psychic individuals, the individual humans who have abilities that fit into the realm of extrasensory perception. These individuals were targeted first as a recruitment tactic but those that refused to cooperate, those that could see the coming storm, the evil foundation, they were ultimately destroyed after they had been drained of all information that could be derived from their psyches before the body died.

The majority chose this route. Only a small percentage of the psychic individuals cooperated with the Nazi regime. However, it was sufficient to ferret out the others. And those that remained in the country when Mr. Hitler took power and could not escape, ultimately were captured and destroyed. In the process much information about past times, other lifetimes, technologies and capacities were exposed. This information was not even available to the gray aliens. They were as intrigued by it as the Nazis.

The Gestapo, the SS had direct contact with the gray beings. Their viciousness is directly related to the enthusiasm that they derived for their invincibility from their supposed allies.

It was decided that in order to create the hybrid race that the gray aliens who had no technological understanding of human physiology, it was decided that experimentation needed to be accomplished.

The state of medical development in the 1930's was quite limited. Genetic engineering was out of the question. The equipment necessary did not exist. So they needed a large population; they needed a relatively genetically pure population to study. In the course of creating the hybrid that the gray beings wanted, it occurred to Mr. Hitler that perhaps he could create a superior human being as well. This he established as a priority.

In researching a suitable population pool of a relatively pure genetic code the Jewish population, which was extensive in Europe, was chosen. The prejudices that people maintained against the Jewish race; due to their insistence on genetic purity; as well as their adeptness at economic control and manipulation made them an ideal target.

When the people of Germany had been starving, the Jewish people continued to flourish due to their own endeavors; due to their own abilities, no doubt. But when a person is starving they tend to resent those that are not. Thus, it was easy to establish the Jewish population as a threat; to target them as an impurity, as the enslavers of the German people.

The German population who had suffered since 1919, were not forgiving, which is understandable when you're starving. They did not mind seeing the Jewish people disposed of their property. They did not mind seeing the people, who led the good life and ate more than enough, taken away out of their midst. The German people never conceptualized the true purpose for the Jewish population being targeted.

When this occurred a classification system was devised that divided the Jewish prisoners into various categories. The ones that had specific talents that the Nazis could exploit were exploited in that way. The ones that, based on a Nazi evaluation, served no useful purpose, were relegated to the concentration camps for the purpose of experimentation. The nature of this experimentation was crude and quite inhumane. The physical bodies were subjected to every form of abomination that could be devised. This was strictly utilized as a learning tool. The gray aliens needed to know the nature of the human body, how it functioned, what it did, how it reacted. Disassembly was part of that learning process. Unfortunately it was mainly conscious disassembly.

A great deal of the torture was specifically designed to evaluate the nature of the vehicle; the human body. The starvation that was imposed upon many of the victims was designed to establish the durability of the body. Those that tolerated the deprivation well were then utilized for further, more extensive and destructive experimentation.

Being ignorant of the nature of the genetic code the gray aliens and the humans assisting them had no conception of what they were doing. The gray aliens were simply destroying humans simply to determine the strength and endurance of the bodies.

It was the humans' idea, that were assisting, to attempt genetic alteration using chemicals. The German people have always excelled in the fields of engineering, be it mechanical or chemical. The logical choice was to find chemicals that would enhance or create a super being that Mr. Hitler had been led to believe could be created. This did not work.

It was discovered in the course of the dissections in the attempts at altering the genetic structure that the chemicals were ineffective. But they did discover that the human genetic materials of which the gray aliens were most interested, that being the eggs and the sperm of the human beings were visible under the equipment of the day. And the focus ultimately shifted to the creation of a system to preserve the sperm and the eggs. The attempt was made using the Jewish victims. They had to perfect the techniques before they risk their own population. This was accomplished utilizing the chemical engineering expertise of the German people.

During this period of time the freezing of liquid nitrogen was discovered as a preservation means for the genetic material. Also the separation of the different sperm carrying organisms was discovered using the mechanical expertise of the German engineering mind.

Utilizing this information they started a program in the concentration camps of artificially inseminating females to discover the effects and to see if they could determine or direct the gender of the offspring. This they accomplished and discovered which type of sperm produced which gender of child.

They also looked into the prospect of zygote splitting, that is, intentionally created duplicates, identical duplicates of the zygote. They achieved this technology quite by accident. They were approaching the entire field in a trial-by-error way. The gray aliens were of no assistance in this matter except to assist in the control of the inmates utilizing their technology. This is why the Jewish prisoners seemed so disinterested in their condition and made no attempts to overthrow the small amount of Nazis that ostensibly were their keepers. They were under the influence of the gray aliens. They didn't even realize it, so insidious is the technology. But literally thousands of them made no attempt to preserve their lives by rising up against their tormentors. Had they done so they ultimately would have succeeded. That is why over six million of them were destroyed.

The mechanics of the Nazi genetic program were simple. Attempting to utilize the technology that existed with their expertise in mechanical and chemical engineering. The mechanical aspect led to zygote splitting and sperm separation. The chemical aspect, after hundreds of thousands of failures ultimately resulted in the capacity to inject cellular material into the zygote and create a duplicate being of the host genetic material.

The Nazis had no idea what they were doing in terms of DNA structure. They simply, through trial and error, discovered that with proper care, the right chemical environment and the right mechanical tools they could inject the material of a cell from one human being into the embryo and it would then reproduce in the way of the host genetic material. They didn't understand because they could not see any more than the macro structures of the cell. And they of course were simply injecting the entire contents into the embryo. They had no idea which of the components actually worked. But through hundreds of thousands of failed experiments they eventually discovered the right chemical balance, the right mechanical technique and equipment, and actually succeeded in creating clones.

The gray aliens in the meantime discovered that their genetic material, as such, was not compatible with human tissue. In other words they could not inject the genetic, or I should say more accurately, the cellular material from a cell into a human embryo and have viability. They decided that they were going to have to approach their hybridization program in a more traditional way.

They utilized the chemical advancements of the German science in an attempt to create a more suitable host environment much as in today's science, immuno-suppresants are used in organ transplants. The principals were similar and are in use by the gray aliens today. It has taken them many years to come upon the right combination of immuno-suppresants so that their genetic material will bond with the humans.

However, with the right chemical materials this does occur and once the genetic materials merge the incompatibilities are neutralized or canceled out. It is just under ordinary circumstances that the sperm of the gray aliens will not peaceably exist with the egg of the human female and the sperm of the human male will not peacefully exist with the egg of the gray alien female. The technology was derived at great human suffering; great human loss of life.

As time passed Mr. Hitler grew more fearful of the gray aliens because they were not giving him the support that he expected. They were not giving him the technology that they promised. It was of course, it was the way it had to be for had they done so the peace keepers would have been upon them and destroyed them. They would have destroyed each group of the gray aliens that had intentionally interfered with the human population.

The gray aliens, when they had discovered a workable although crude solution to their hybridization program, felt that a reduction of the human population was to their advantage. This is why they presented the technology for nuclear weapons to both the German and the American governments.

They could not create the technology for them. They had to convey the information as best they could and let the humans do it themselves. Again to avoid bringing the wrath of the peace keepers upon them.

They did not mention to the human beings the toxic nature of the weaponry. It was of little consequence to them for the gray civilization is unaffected due to their genetic structure and physiology. Their frequency is such that radioactivity that is fatal to earth life forms has no effect upon them.

This was their plan to reduce the populations of the planet, keeping for themselves a pool of humans to use to create their hybrids.

That is quite where the gray aliens are today. Still seeking to perfect the hybridization program using chemicals and artificial insemination or even, when possible, mechanical sexual intercourse.

ZO, dit is weer DUIDELIJK ONTOPIC





http://www.21stcenturyradio.com/articles/03/0306179.html

vind je het gek dat de nazi`s zo groot waren? ze waren gewoon super dope bezig; vette nieuwe technologie etc

er komt binnekort ook een film (in de bios?) over de "menselijke" kant van Adolf Hitler

zijn "toffe kerel" kant

de clonen van hitler... the boys from brazil...

welke film bedoel je nu?

Der Untergang?

(waar ik overigens zeker naar ga kijken)

overigens heb ik zelf moeite met het geloven dat Hitler door Ufo's was geindoctrineerd...

ik denk het; weet niet welke naam die film heeft

boys from brazil is ook een film; gaat over de clonen van hitler... fictief of feit?



nog een mooie afbeelding van de Teutoonse Kruisridders... weer dat kruis

om nog even terug te komen op die Maria chick, dat was Maria BLAVADSKY... waar hitler mee geobessed was

Omkara, dat is Der Untergang ja.

Maar goed, een film als The rise of Evil geeft ook echt wel een vertekend beeld. Hitler heeft zijn hond nooit mishandeld. Hij was zelfs vegetarier.

Daarin geef ik Cenobite gelijk, dat je de hedendaagse films/artikelen etc over WOII het Nazisme etc met een grote korrel zout moet nemen.
Precies zoals je het in die tijd ook moest doen, toen de nazi's de media beheerden.

Omkara... het lijkt me handig als je gewoon iets gestructureerder gaat posten want het wordt nu wel een zooitje...

altijd, maar je gevoel geeft wel aan wat klopt en wat niet.

als ik iets heb geleerd in mijn leven s dat je geen beslissingen moet maken op basis van je zogenaamde gezonde verstand, maar beslissingen moet maken met gevoel.

alleen daar leer je van

wat ik hier post en zal posten klopt voor mijn gevoel. er zullen altijd mensen zijn die je raar aankijken; maar voor elk persoon dat je raar aankijkt zijn er ook weer genoeg die hetzelfde gevoel hebben als ik

ja sorry, ik ben tweeling en de reincarnatie van chaos

ik zal me wat meer proberen te focussen; zoals ik hier post; zo ga ik ook met mijn leven om

Heb je zeker gelijk in, maar iedereens gevoel zegt toch weer wat anders. Je geloof toch in jouw waarheid omdat je luistert naar je gevoel, ben je er snel van overtuigd dat het zo is .

Dit charlet werd toch pas veel later gebouwd?

bedankt trouwens voor de link, downloading

Dit is nog veel fokking btr dan de kristallen schedel

ga dit weekeind veel uurtjes achter de pc hangen denk ik

sorry dat ik er een beetje een zooitje van heb gemaakt, het ging hier met name meer om hitler en zijn occulte ervaringen...

ik daarintegen heb veel info gelezen over geloof, aliens occultisme en hoe dit alles een verband heeft met elkaar...

alles heeft namelijk een verband met elkaar en door je te focussen op 1 specifiek onderdeel verlies je het gehele perspektief uit het oog.

zodra ik weer de nodige relevante materie heb opgenomen kom ik terug met nieuwe boeieunde info

ga zelf ook even de omega files helemaal door pluizen etc... en natuurlijk mijn messiaanse erfenis boek uitpluizen

je info is juist boeiend, omkara...



alleen een beetje verwarrend...



then again, toen ik bij requiem binnen kwam vond ik je ook al verwarrend en dacht ik ff dat ik bij het verkeerde feest was beland

lol, dat kan ik wel zien als compliment denk ik

Jullie moeten maar 's dingen zoeken over de Thule Gesellschaft, da's interessante kost

let uit

ik ga het even op een rijtje zetten.

Omega Files
Madam Blavadsky
Hitler - Atlantis
Nazi Ufo`s
Ersatz Religie
Thule Gesellschaft

zoo en er is nog veeel meer; ik ga dit maar eens allemaal uitpluizen, pas dan kan je weer fatsoenlijk mee lullen; het grappige is dat alles altijd een verband heeft met elkaar

het enige dat ik er een beetje buiten vind vallen zijn die ufo's ...


er is toch een verschil tussen occulte zaken, en oude religies en ufo's..


het feit dat hitler ontvoerd zou zijn door aliens vind ik wat fantastisch, eerlijk gezegd.

ontvoerd?

zeg maar gewoon dat hij heel graag wou meegaan

kennis van een vriend van mij heeft een alien abduction gehad waarbij hij bijkwam onder narcose en een "mens" ? in een nazi uniform achter de bediening van de ufo zag staan.

ik wil je nix opdringen !! voor mij is het niet fantastisch; het is werkelijkheid.

daarnaast hebben aliens zeker een degelijke band met het occulte; aleister crowley, welke zogenaamd de kwaadaardigste man was van de planeet aarde was eigenlijk een buitenaardse identiteit AIWASS of wel; daar kwamen veel van zijn ideeen vandaan...

occultisme en aliens hebben een hechtere band dan je zo 1 2 3 zou vermoeden

Crowley is known to have favoured the Nazi war effort and, whilst abroad, once notoriously wrote in The Fatherland: “The sovereignty of England must be destroyed once and for all. England must be divided between the Continental Powers. She must be a mere province, or better still, colony of her neighbours, France and Germany.” The historical affinity between Nazism and the occult has been well documented in a wide variety of books on the subject, including Satan Wants You by Arthur Lyons, From Satan To Christ by Seán Manchester, Satanism and the Occult by Kevin Logan, The Twisted Cross by Joseph J Carr, The Occult & the Third Reich by J M Angebert, Occult Reich by J H Brenna, Satan and the Swastika by Francis King, The Spear of Destiny by Trevor Ravenscroft, Hitler: The Occult Messiah by Gerald Suster, Germany Possessed by H G Baynes, Hitler’s Cross by Erwin W Lutzer.

grappig... bij het zoeken naar het Thulse gezelschap kom ik eigenlijk direkt op een link met bovengenoemd kasteel en de zwarte zon.




wie ben ik om JOU tegen te spreken



Die Crowley ziet er overigens wel eng uit...

Nu weet ik weer waarom partyflock een stuk interessanter is dan discovery channel. Ik vind het erg jammer dat er aan zulke onderwerpen niet meer aandacht wordt besteed in de media, maar ik snap nu wel waarom dat niet zo is....

daar zit je een beetje fout mee...

schaf digitaal tv kijken aan via UPC of NUTS bedrijven en voila je hebt Discovery SCIENCE!!!

de vetste interresantste shit waar je urenlang naar kan blijven kijken; ufo`s, planeten, quantum mechanika etc; helemaal de bom, maar true true, op discovery channel krijg je vaak tegenstrijdige bullshit te zien...



hij is net als ik een hoge priester geweest in de egyptische periode... hij heeft ook een Tarot set uitgebracht, welke tegenwoordig Thoth Tarot wordt genoemd laat ik maar zeggen dat ik daar enorme affiniteit mee heb



It is also known that Aleister Crowley and Gurdjieff sought contact with Hitler. Hitler's unusual powers of suggestion become more understandable if one keeps in mind that he had access to the 'secret' psychological techniques of the esoteric lodges. Haushofer taught him the techniques of Gurdjieff which, in turn, were based on the teachings of the Sufis and the Tibetan lamas- and familiarized him with the Zen teaching of the Japanese Society of the Green Dragon."
- Wulf Schwartzwaller, The Unknown Hitler

NAZI CULT BELIEFS

Rüdiger Sünner heeft een uitstekend boek geschreven dat ik als m'n bijbel beschouw wat mijn historisch onderzoek betreft; "Schwarze Sonne". Koop 't via Amazon of bol.com; t'is dik z'n centen waard. Behandelt onderwerpen als het occultisme in Duitsland, met als hoofdmoot de Schutzstaffel en diens onderzoeken.

Crowley brengt ons bij de Ordo Templi Orientis....


ziehier het logo en wat valt op....?

wat valt er niet aan op... alle symbolen linken naar zaken die al in dit topic besproken zijn... de kelk, het symbool van ra, de adelaar en natuurlijk het kruis... Vergeet ik nog iets lanz?

moet ik het nu toevallig vinden dat Marilyn Manson ook bij O.T.O. zit?

nee he...

nee

hoewel een kleine toevoeging op z'n plaats is... het oog in de pyramide, tezamen met het geometrie teken, vormt het teken van de Illuminatie!

AMERICA = NAZI DUITSLAND

uit overweging van het beleid van PF ga ik nu geen vergelijking maken tussen Hitler en Bush...

dan doe ik dat wel



When President Bush decided to invade Iraq, his spokesmen began comparing Saddam Hussein to Adolph Hitler, the most monstrous figure in modern history. Everybody was therefore shocked when a high German bureaucrat turned the tables by comparing Bush himself with Hitler. As to be expected, she (the bureaucrat) was forced to resign because of her extreme disrespect for an American president. However, the resemblance sticks--there are too many similarities to be ignored, some of which may be listed here.

Like Hitler, President Bush was not elected by a majority, but was forced to engage in political maneuvering in order to gain office.


Like Hitler, Bush began to curtail civil liberties in response to a well-publicized disaster, in Hitler’s case the Reichstag fire, in Bush’s case the 9-11 catastrophe.


Like Hitler, Bush went on to pursue a reckless foreign policy without the mandate of the electorate and despite the opposition of most foreign nations.


Like Hitler, Bush has increased his popularity with conservative voters by mounting an aggressive public relations campaign against foreign enemies. Just as Hitler cited international communism to justify Germany’s military buildup, Bush has used Al Qaeda and the so-called Axis of Evil to justify our current military buildup. Paradoxically none of the nations in this axis--Iraq, Iran and North Korea--have had anything to do with each other.


Like Hitler, Bush has promoted militarism in the midst of economic recession (or depression as it was called during the thirties). First he used war preparations to help subsidize defense industries (Halliburton, Bechtel, Carlyle Group, etc.) and presumably the rest of the economy on a trickle-down basis. Now he turns to the very same corporations to rebuild Iraq, again without competitive bidding and at extravagant profit levels.


Like Hitler, Bush displays great populist enthusiasm in his patriotic speeches, but primarily serves wealthy investors who subsidize his election campaigns and share with him their comfortable lifestyle. As he himself jokes, he treats these individuals at the pinnacle of our economy as his true political “base.”


Like Hitler, Bush envisages our nation’s unique historic destiny almost as a religious cause sanctioned by God. Just as Hitler did for Germany, he takes pride in his “providential” role in spreading his version of Americanism throughout the entire world.


Like Hitler, Bush promotes a future world order that guarantees his own nation’s hegemonic supremacy rather than cooperative harmony under the authority of the United Nations (or League of Nations).


Like Hitler, Bush quickly makes and breaks diplomatic ties, and he offers generous promises that he soon abandons, as in the cases of Mexico, Russia, Afghanistan, and even New York City. The same goes for U.S. domestic programs. Once Bush was elected, many leaders of these programs learned to dread his making any kind of an appearance to praise their success, since this was almost inevitably followed by severe cuts in their budgets.


Like Hitler, Bush scraps international treaties, most notably the Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty, the Biological Weapons Convention, the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty, the Convention on the Prohibition of Land Mines, the Chemical Weapons Convention, the Kyoto Global Warming Accord, and the International Criminal Court.


Like Hitler, Bush repeats lies often enough that they come to be accepted as the truth. Bush and his spokesmen argued, for example, that they had taken every measure possible to avoid war, than an invasion of Iraq would diminish (not intensify) the terrorist threat against the U.S., that Iraq was linked with Al Qaeda, and that nothing whatsoever had been achieved by U.N. inspectors to warrant the postponement of U.S. invasion plans. All of this was false. They also insisted that Iraq hid numerous weapons it did not possess since the mid-190s, and they refused to acknowledge the absence of a nuclear weapons program in Iraq since the early nineties. As perhaps to be expected, they indignantly accused others of deception and evasiveness.


Like Hitler, Bush incessantly shifted his arguments to justify invading Iraq--from Iraq’s WMD threat to the elimination of Saddam Hussein, to his supposed Al Qaeda connection, to the creation of Iraqi democracy in the Middle East as a model for neighboring states, and back again to the WMD threat. As soon as one excuse for the war was challenged, Bush advanced to another, but only to shift back again at another time.


Like Hitler, Bush and his cohorts emphasize the ruthlessness of their enemies in order to justify their own. Just as Hitler cited the threat of communist violence to justify even greater violence on the part of Germany, the bush team justified the invasion of Iraq by emphasizing Hussein’s crimes against humanity over the past twenty-five years. However, these crimes were for the most part committed when Iraq was a client-ally of the U.S. Our government supplied Hussein with illegal weapons (poison gas included), and there were sixty U.S. advisors in Iraq when these weapons were put to use (see NY Times, Aug. 18, 1992). U.S. aid to Iraq was actually doubled afterwards despite disclaimers from Washington that our nation opposed their use. President Reagan’s special envoy Donald Rumsfeld personally informed Hussein of this one hundred percent increment during one of his two trips to Iraq at the time. He also told Hussein not to take U.S. disclaimers seriously.


Like Hitler, Bush takes pride in his status as a “War President,” and his global ambition makes him perhaps the most dangerous president in our nation’s history, a “rogue” chief executive capable of waging any number of illegal preemptive wars. He fully acknowledges his willingness to engage in wars of “choice” as well as wars of necessity. Sooner or later this choice will oblige universal conscription as well as a full-scale war economy.


Like Hitler, Bush continues to pursue war without cutting back on the peacetime economy. Additional to unprecedented low interest rates bestowed by the Federal Reserve, he has actually cut federal taxes twice by substantial amounts, especially for the top one percent of U.S. taxpayers, while conducting an expensive invasion and an even more expensive occupation of a hostile nation. As a result, President Clinton’s $350 billion budget surplus has been reduced to a $450 billion deficit, comprising an unprecedented $800 billion decline in less than four years. At the same time the U.S. dollar has steadily dropped against currencies of both Europe and Japan.


Like Hitler, Bush possesses a war machine much bigger and more effective than the military capabilities of other nations. With the extra financing obliged by the defeat and occupation of Iraq, Bush now relies on a “defense” budget well in excess of the combined military expenditures of the rest of the world. Moreover, the $416 billion defense package passed last week by Congress will probably need to be supplemented before the end of the year.


Like Hitler, bush depends on an axis of collaborative allies, which he describes as a “coalition of the willing,” in order to give the impression of a broad popular alliance. These allies include the U.K. as compared to Mussolini’s Italy, and Spain and Bulgaria, as compared to, well, Spain and Bulgaria, both of which were aligned with Germany during the thirties and World War II. As a result of their cooperation, Prime Minister Blair’s diplomatic reputation has been ruined in England, and a surprising election defeat has produced an unfriendly government in Spain. The Philippines have withdrawn their troops from Iraq to save the life of a hostage, and other defections can be expected in the near future.


Like Hitler, Bush is willing to go to war over the objections of the U.N. (League of Nations). His Iraq invasion was illegal and therefore a war crime as explained by Articles 41 and 42 of the U.N. Charter, which require two votes, not one, by the Security Council before any state takes such an action. First a vote is needed to explore all possibilities short of warfare (in Iraq’s case through the use of U.N. inspectors), and once this has been shown to be fruitless, a second vote is needed to permit military action. U.S. and U.K. delegates at the Security Council prevented this second vote once it was plain they lacked a majority. This was because other nations on the Security Council were satisfied with the findings of U.N. inspectors that no weapons of mass destruction had yet been found. Minus this second vote, the invasion was illegal. Bush also showed in the process that he has no qualms about bribing, bullying, and insulting U.N. members, even tapping their telephone lines. This was done with undecided members of the Security Council as well as the U.N. Secretary General when the U.S.-U.K. resolution was debated preceding the invasion.


Like Hitler, Bush launches unilateral invasions on a supposedly preemptive basis. Just as Hitler convinced the German public to think of Poland as a threat to Germany in 1939 (for example in his Sept. 19 speech), Bush wants Americans to think of Iraq as having been a “potential” threat to our national security--indeed as one of the instigators of the 9-11 attack despite a complete lack of evidence to support this claim.


Like Hitler, Bush depends on a military strategy that features a “shock and awe” blitzkrieg beginning with devastating air strikes, then an invasion led by heavy armored columns.


Like Hitler, Bush is willing to inflict high levels of bloodshed against enemy nations. Between 20,000 and (more probably) 37,000 are now estimated to have been killed, as much as a ro-1 kill ratio compared to the more than 900 Americans killed. In other words, for every U.S. fatality, probably as many as forty Iraqi have died.


Like Hitler, Bush is perfectly willing to sacrifice life as part of his official duty. This would be indicated by the unprecedented number of prisoners executed during his service as governor of Texas. Under no other governor in the history of the United States were so many killed.


Like Hitler, Bush began warfare on a single front (Al Qaeda quartered in Afghanistan), but then expanded it to a second front with Iraq, only to be confronted with North Korea and Iran as potential third and fourth fronts. Much the same thing happened to Hitler when he advanced German military operations from Spain to Poland and France, then was distracted by Yugoslavia before invading the USSR in 1941. Today, bush seems prevented by the excessive costs of the Iraqi debacle from going to war elsewhere if reelected, but not through any lack of desire.


Like Hitler, Bush has no qualms about imposing “regime change” by installing Quisling-style client governments backed by a U.S. military occupation with both political and economic control entirely in the hands of Americans. It is no surprise that Iyad Alawi, Iraq’s current temporary prime minister, was once affiliated with the CIA and has been reliably reported by the Australian press to have executed six hooded prisoners with a handgun to their heads just a day or two before his appointment a couple weeks ago.


Like Hitler, Bush curtails civil liberties in captive nations and depends on detention centers (i.e., concentration camps) such as a Guantanamo, Abu Ghraib, and any number of secret interrogation centers across the world. Prisoners at the camps go unidentified and have no legal rights as ordinarily guaranteed by the Geneva Conventions. They have also been detained indefinitely (for 2 ½ years already at Guantanamo Bay), though there is mounting evidence that many are innocent of what they have been charged--some, for example, having been randomly seized by Northern Alliance troops in Afghanistan for an automatic bounty from U.S. commanders. Moreover, many Iraqi prisoners have been tortured, in many instances just short of death. Recent U.S. documents disclose that as many twenty have died while being tortured, and twenty others have died under unusual circumstances yet to be determined.


Like Hitler, Bush uses the threat of enemies abroad to stir the fearful allegiance of the U.S. public. For example, he features public announcements of possible terrorist attacks in order to override embarrassing news coverage or to crowd from headlines positive coverage of Democratic Party activities. He also uses the threat of terrorism to justify extraordinary domestic powers granted by the Patriot Act. Even the books we check out of public libraries can be kept on record by federal agents.


Like Hitler, Bush depends on a propaganda machine to guarantee sympathetic news management. In Hitler’s case news coverage was totally dominated by Goebbels; in Bush’s case reporters have been almost totally “imbedded” by both military spokesmen and wealthy media owners sympathetic with Bush. The most obvious case is the Fox news channel, owned and controlled by Rupert Murdoch. Not surprisingly, recent polls indicate that the majority of Fox viewers still think Hussein played a role in the 9-11 attack.


Like Hitler, Bush increasingly reduces the circle of aides he feels he can trust as his policies keep boomeranging at his own expense. Just as Hitler ended up isolated in his headquarters, with few individuals granted access, Bush is now said to be limiting access primarily to Attorney General Ashcroft (who also talks with God on a regular basis) as well as Karl Rove, the Vice President, Karen Hughes, and a few others. Both Secretary of State Powell and Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld are now said to be out of the loop.


Like Hitler, Bush has become obsessed with his vision of conflict between good (U.S. patriotism) and evil (anti-Americanism. Many in contact with the White House are said to be worried that he is beginning to lose touch with reality--perhaps resulting from the use of medication that seriously distorts his judgment. Possibly symptomatic of this concern is the increasing number of disaffected government officials who leak embarrassing documents.


Like Hitler, bush takes pleasure in the mythology of frontier justice. As a youth Hitler read and memorized the western novels of Karl May, and Bush retains into his maturity his fascination with simplistic cowboy values. He also exaggerates a cowboy twang despite his C-average elitist education at Andover, Yale, and Harvard.


Like Hitler, Bush misconstrues Darwinism, in Hitler’s case by treating the Aryan race as being superior on an evolutionary basis, in Bush’s case by rejecting science for fundamentalist creationism.

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is behoorlijk offtopic vandaag.. sorry



bovenstaande afbeelding lijkt op het brandende instortende WTC

zie.... omkara kan dat veel beter

wat?... offtopic lullen?

Als je dit zo allemaal n beetje leest en ziet enzo vraag je je toch af waarom de nazi's eigenlijk de oorlog hebben verloren lijkt me niet alleen omdat die technologieen nie echt meekregen van die grey's

Of zie ik het nou allemaal een beetje verkeerd?

Behalve occulte interesses had Hitler ook een ontiegelijk ongeduld...

Als 'ie effe gewacht had tot 1945 met z'n gezeik was 't Z-Plan voltooid, dus was de Kriegsmarine netjes op orde, en in de tussentijd zouden vast de andere kantoren (SS, SD, Wehrmacht, etc.) ook prima op orde geweest zijn om ten strijde te trekken.

Als hij had willen winnen had hij niet naar Rusland moeten gaan.

Maar ook wat je in D-Day ziet, ze wilden niet geloven dat de geallieerden op die plek aan zouden vallen.


(maar stiekem ben ik wel blij dat het over is)

nou ik denk persoonlijk dat het allemaal vreemd genoeg volgens plan verloopt.

vind je het niet raar dat alles toch enigsinds verloopt zoals in de geschiedenis is vermoed zoals het zou lopen... 3 grote wereld oorlogen etc; ik bedoel als hitler alles al had verovert was er nix om een 3e wereldoorlog mee te beginnen...

ik denk dat het allemaal een mooi gedirigeert spel is van de Nazi`s om verstoppertje te gaan spelen.

als het eruit ziet dat je aan het verliezen bent las je een pauze in, maar hitler was een fannatiekeling, daarom is hij ook gekozen door de grey`s om het volk te leiden. als je dan doet alsof je ermee kapt; vervolgens je geheimen operaties in america (voornamelijk in ondergrondse basis-en) en natuurlijk de nodige alien technology meeneemt.

de duitsers hadden misschien vooraanstaande technologie, maar soms waren ze niet al te slim

bijv hoe ze met de 1e U boten aan de slag gingen, zonder er ook maar ooit bij na te denken dat de vijand op een dag zal komen met een anti-wapen, namelijk het laten zinken van zelf exploderende tonnen door een bepaalde diepte oid.

dat is gewoon stupid; dat is waarschijnlijk zeker die ongeduldigheid van hitler; zal ook een adhd-ur zijn geweest

en het is trots geweest; zo van WIJ; wij zijn het uitverkoren volk; het echte volk van god; de joden waren fake; ze hebben jezus/lucifer vermoord; onze ware redder; de god van de illuminati.

klets niet zo dom, idioot... Als je geen verstand hebt van U-boten en de oorlogvoering ermee, hou dan je klep.

En zit dat uitverkoren zijn van Hitler door de Grey's niet zo te romantiseren man... Door mensen zoals jij die op basis van pure willekeur alle losse eindjes aan mekaar gaan knopen en alle verhaaltjes maar geloven krijg je geschiedvervalsing.

Letztens: Uitbreken van de oorlog verliep helemaal niet volgens plan, gozer. Sterker nog: De complete Kriegsmarine was niet voorbereid. Ze hadden 4 wastobbes en 40 U-boten waarvan er 22 de Atlantische Oceaan op konden.

En waarom ik denk dat 't niet gelukt is is niet zozeer de veldtocht tegen Rusland, maar het verkeerd gebruiken van grondstoffen. Goering als minister van bewapening heeft 't in de eerste jaren gewoon flink versaut door alles naar z'n Luftwaffe te laten gaan. Als de coördinatie bij iemand als Albert Speer had gelegen vanaf het bégin in plaats van na 1943, had 't wél goedgelopen denk ik.

idioot? ik zal dat meer even door de vingers zien

ik weet niet zo heel gek veel over de duitse oorlog voering met u-boten, maar ik verzin het niet ter plekke; dit heb ik jaja "gezien" op discovery channel...

ze hadden echt super veel u-boten gemaakt; gewoon een overkill omdat het lekker el-cheapo was.

en dat ze vervolgens voor een groot gedeelte ter zinking zijn gebracht door van die zelf detonerende kratjes.

groot gedeelte van de u boten zijn naar antarctica vertrokken schijnbaar... zijn er ook veel nooit meer terug gevonden



ik lees, ik bedenk, en doe dat allemaal op me gevoel.

maar dan hoef je nog niet gelijk zo "klets niet zo dom idioot" te reageren; ik ben je hond niet

en lekker boeiund trouwens die suffe U-Boten; daar is totaal nix occults aan; hooguit het waarschijlijke feit dat dit wederom technologie is verworven via de Grey`s.

maar goed; ik heb het niet op video; het is niet op de tv geweest; dus het zal wel niet waar zijn

Dat was speelser bedoeld dan t bij je overgekomen is, denk ik

Maar wat ik meer bedoel te zeggen: Alle mythes aan mekaar knopen is niet altijd goed, omdat 't meestal niet strookt met wat er gebeurd is

Ik ben 't op 1 punt met je eens; ze hebben teveel U-boten laten bouwen van 't type VII-C en IX-C, omdat ze ervan overtuigd waren dat die geen verbetering nodig hadden. Pas in 1943 begon onderzoek naar nieuwe aandrijving, omdat ze toen pas in de gaten hadden dat er drastische verbeteringen nodig waren om de veranderingen bij de Geallieerden bij te kunnen benen. En 't allerdomste is nog niet eens de hoofdschuld van de Duitsers; de info over het type XXI, de nieuwe "Wunderboot" werd ook verstrekt aan de Japanse diplomaten omdat die ook bezig waren met nieuwe boottechnologie. Maar: De diplomaten codeerden hun berichten aan hun keizer (echt uitvoerig, met complete schematische uitspraken en technische specificaties van het nieuwe type XXI U-Boot, gewoon de hele rimram die bekend was bij de Duitse staf over dat vaartuig) met een oude code die de Geallieerden voor de oorlog al hadden gekraakt. Zo wisten ze dus heel snel dat er iets nieuws op komst was, dus gingen ze 't in de gaten houden. Toen een kwart jaar later ook werd doorgebriefd door de Jappen op welke constructieterreinen deze boten gebouwd zouden worden (de sectiebouw dan), konden de Geallieerden dit prima laten bombarderen en zo de productie vertragen. En da's gelukt: Als de XXI en XXIII U-boten sneller aan t front waren gekomen, was 't wel weer 'goedgekomen' met Duitsland denk ik.



eh, nee. En U-boten zijn niet suf; althans, voor mij niet, ik heb er al jaren grote interesse in

damn, dan ben je echt een kneuter als je dat doet

ok ok, U-Boten zijn best hip, maar ik blijf erbij; het is zeker technologie van de Grey`s; die kleine tjappies de hobbelen hier al jaren rond, maar goed; ik heb nix om dat mee aan te tonen; maar ik geloof wel dat het zo is; je zou versteld staan hoeveel verhalen er zijn over buitenaardse invloed in de oorlogen door de eeuwen heen.

tjaa...zo gaat dat. maar ik zal me 's verdiepen in die Grey's van je

on-topic: Iemand wel 's gelezen over SS-soldaten in Rusland die tijdens 't Russische offensief in 1944 in groten getale occulte rituelen gingen houden achter 't front om de "Iwan" tegen te houden?