Algemeen Hardcore Topic

Dames en heren, welkom in het 'Algemeen Hardcore Topic', waar vriend en vijand kunnen discussiëren over de nieuwste feitjes, roddels, releases en feesten in de hardcore.

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Game On!

Yeah! And suddenly it's all in english too! Cool to see aof/traxtorm to give some more info about their standingpoints.

Allthough it does not make up for the crappy shit they pulled with the mad dog album!

Uitspraak van Megalodon || Opperstamper op donderdag 5 mei 2011 om 22:21:

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Allthough it does not make up for the crappy shit they pulled with the mad dog album!

That's what I thought.

I'll have to read the rest of this later. Wasn't really expecting this

Uitspraak van Pascal [ Outrage ] op donderdag 5 mei 2011 om 20:11:

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Believe me... The passion is still there and i know i can make a decent track, but it's still the quality that nails me. And then you should know that after listening your brand new track a couple of times, you become a bit of tone-deaf ( I got that every time ) and all you hear is a good track and you can't lay your finger on the faulty spots, if you know what i mean.

If you write an article it's the same thing. You can check, doublecheck, triplecheck, etc it but at a certain point your perception capacity becomes saturated and you just read over the faults instead of noticing them. And if you have a deadline you just can't leave it for a while until your mind is fresh again...


Interesting dicussion indeed. And nice to see the explanation of CristianAoF. It makes the choices indeed more understandable. Although not everything may be agreed upon by the reader/recipient.
As a musiclover (and just a 'consumer' instead of a (bedroom)DJ or producer) I was also dissapointed with the way the Mad Dog album is. The album is not so bad to listen to, but I'd rather have had the full length tracks to listen to (or at least album versions - not really full length but with a 'normal' intro/outro). The way it is now it feels more like a mixtape to me than an album from an artist. But I know now that I have to wait for the full length tracks.
I still have the AoF/MT album on my mp3-player (and the 2CD release in my CD-rack) and I still enjoy listening to it. Perhaps I am just one of the 'Mohicans' who actually buys a CD when her or she likes it or the artist. I like to have something physical with a booklet with artwork etc, not just only a CD-R.


Well we can see that the musicscene is now adapting to the new situation with the internet where copies can spread very fast. That has 2 sides: music can really spread worldwide and new markets can be opened. But selling music gets harder when 'free' copies can be obtained very easily. The focus is changing now from selling music to increasing revenues from bookings/concerts and selling merchandise.
In February Markus Schulz was interviewed for the Veronica Magazine (a tv-mag with also articles about music, artists, cars, games and the comic Dirk-Jan ) and I find this quote exemplaric for the developments: "Previously you did a tour to promote your album. Nowadays you make an album to promote your tour. That's a whole different approach to making music."
(the quote in Dutch (as it appeared in the magazine): "Vroeger deed je een tour om je album te promoten. Tegenwoordig maak je een album om je tour te promoten. Dat is een heel andere benadering van muziek maken.")

Thanks for the explanation Cristian. It makes a lot more sense now!
Waiting for a long time for a release can be hard sometimes, but it also keeps you excited about it. You really can't wait to play it and if you wanna hear it on a party, you'll have to go to a party with a Traxtorm artist. That's also good for the artists and the label.

Uitspraak van Meteosas op donderdag 5 mei 2011 om 22:41:

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Previously you did a tour to promote your album. Nowadays you make an album to promote your tour.

And here we aaaaaaaare!!! That 4 months are because if you really want "traxtorm" music at your party you're forced to call one of us. We're using music to promote the gigs (but still we care a LOT to quality, don't get me wrong)

Uitspraak van verwijderd op donderdag 5 mei 2011 om 21:19:

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By the way, nice new Meccano Twins release Cristian

thanks a lot!!! Was quite hard to make it sounding different from "ice", glad you enjoy it!

Uitspraak van Krauser op donderdag 5 mei 2011 om 20:48:

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I have to admit that the way Cristian puts it makes a lot of sense. And I think the huge amount of criticsim on this policy emerged because people didn't get this explanation in the first place.

Helemaal mee eens kerel.

Uitspraak van CristianAoF op donderdag 5 mei 2011 om 22:54:

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thanks a lot!!! Was quite hard to make it sounding different from "ice", glad you enjoy it!

Hope you'll make more Meccano Twins releases soon
I like them more then your AoF tracks

Uitspraak van verwijderd op donderdag 5 mei 2011 om 23:04:

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Was quite hard to make it sounding different from "ice"

I'd like to see you tackle 'Water' next

Ignite was my least favorite track on that E.P. btw, Combustion is cool and so is Delta Release

Uitspraak van verwijderd op donderdag 5 mei 2011 om 21:02:

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TTM is now releasing in high tempo since they stopped releasing vinyls.

Yes, but they were already releasing their vinyls at least 3 times faster then Enzyme did, but the mastering was for both labels about the same, even with a higher rate of release. I'm glad the Traxtorm speed with releasing went up, and also TTM's, but the TTM one was already pretty high, so I wonder why a great quality label like Enzyme is relatively slow, even for a label that still releases a vinyl with every EP.

Thnx btw Cristian for the answers

Uitspraak van CristianAoF op donderdag 5 mei 2011 om 22:54:

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That 4 months are because if you really want "traxtorm" music at your party you're forced to call one of us. We're using music to promote the gigs

and you can't do the same, without announcing the forthcoming release 4 months before? if you have your own tracks,that nobody have because they're brand new and unreleased,you can be sure that nobody other can play those tracks..or not?

Uitspraak van .Wendel op donderdag 5 mei 2011 om 23:33:

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Yes, but they were already releasing their vinyls at least 3 times faster then Enzyme did, but the mastering was for both labels about the same, even with a higher rate of release. I'm glad the Traxtorm speed with releasing went up, and also TTM's, but the TTM one was already pretty high, so I wonder why a great quality label like Enzyme is relatively slow, even for a label that still releases a vinyl with every EP.

Could be to keep it exclusive so people will notice their releases more. Quality over quantity.

Uitspraak van verwijderd op donderdag 5 mei 2011 om 23:38:

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Could be to keep it exclusive so people will notice their releases more. Quality over quantity.

Thought of that too, but if you read a message of Nosferatu about a year ago (if not more) that he's got 6 solo's, 8 coops (with Dana for example) and 5 remixes or something like that coming up you're going to question the release rate, because it looks some of these songs are about 3/4 years old when they will be firstly played

Uitspraak van .Wendel op donderdag 5 mei 2011 om 23:40:

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these songs are about 3/4 years old when they will be firstly played

same mistake we did in the past. But now as soon you know about the track means that you can find it on the tube.

Uitspraak van Nightmare Dj op donderdag 5 mei 2011 om 23:35:

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and you can't do the same, without announcing the forthcoming release 4 months before? if you have your own tracks,that nobody have because they're brand new and unreleased,you can be sure that nobody other can play those tracks..or not?

Isn't everybody doing that already now? We just made this public. Why wasting that big promotion during this time? Better use it for our own advantage! I think it's better to listen to crappy iphone videos recorded at the party or a 128kbit version uploaded by the label itself? What's the difference? With this method you're 100% that that track you listened to that party will be released on that record on that day. Which is 4 months later

Uitspraak van Krauser op donderdag 5 mei 2011 om 20:48:

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I have to admit that the way Cristian puts it makes a lot of sense.

I agree with this. At first i thought it was just a load of shit but thank you for explaining your point of vieuw Christian .

Uitspraak van .Wendel op donderdag 5 mei 2011 om 23:40:

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some of these songs are about 3/4 years old when they will be firstly played

You are talking about music as if theyr products and tools wich decay after time,good music is timeless.
Looks like u dont understand the essence of music and mix up your daily shoppings at the market with music. (and see both as the same thing)

Uitspraak van CristianAoF op donderdag 5 mei 2011 om 23:56:

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Isn't everybody doing that already now?

yes,and luckily in my opinion is much better.. this really make interest in the people... a track after 4 months from his announce has a BIG loss of interest.. for example take the case of the last Neophyte rec. release from The Viper... they announced the release of that e.p.,one day before the release or the same day that it came out on junodownload.. probably the tracks were finished a while ago (but not so much,because i remember that just before the beginning of april,Korsakoff on her twitter said that the rmx of Let it bump was just finished) but they haven't been announced before... 2 tracks from that e.p. were on the Black compilation, but that compilation was released few time before..

in this way, there are 3 tracks that are completely brand new for the people.. this is the way i like!

Uitspraak van CristianAoF op donderdag 5 mei 2011 om 22:54:

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And here we aaaaaaaare!!! That 4 months are because if you really want "traxtorm" music at your party you're forced to call one of us. We're using music to promote the gigs (but still we care a LOT to quality, don't get me wrong)

This is a good development if indeed quality will be number one!

And the Quality will go up, because people must like it before they whant to see you on a party or in concert.

Uitspraak van verwijderd op vrijdag 6 mei 2011 om 00:00:

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You are talking about music as if theyr products and tools wich decay after time,good music is timeless.

Good music is indeed timeless, so dj's/producers keep playing tracks at party's that are a few years or more old!

Uitspraak van Meteosas op donderdag 5 mei 2011 om 22:41:

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I still have the AoF/MT album on my mp3-player (and the 2CD release in my CD-rack) and I still enjoy listening to it. Perhaps I am just one of the 'Mohicans' who actually buys a CD when her or she likes it or the artist. I like to have something physical with a booklet with artwork etc, not just only a CD-R.

And that's why I hope labels will keep pressing vinyl and cd's. A vinyl+cd release, just like the Ruffneck - Divine intervention release please.....


Ps: Those New Meccano Twins Tracks, some good shit.

Uitspraak van Lancher > Minion a.k.a. Project Chryzis op vrijdag 6 mei 2011 om 00:59:

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And that's why I hope labels will keep pressing vinyl and cd's. A vinyl+cd release, just like the Ruffneck - Divine intervention release please.....

A vinyl will eventually cost too much. A CD with a nice cover and maybe a booklet with some background info would be nice though..

Uitspraak van verwijderd op vrijdag 6 mei 2011 om 00:00:

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You are talking about music as if theyr products and tools wich decay after time,good music is timeless.
Looks like u dont understand the essence of music and mix up your daily shoppings at the market with music. (and see both as the same thing)

That's true, IF hardcore wouldn't be so subjective to time influences. They unfortunatelly are, so you hear it when a track is a bigger time back produced, and the crowd unfortunatelly won't accept that. We do, but not everyone is so open to music and such critic.

Uitspraak van CristianAoF op donderdag 5 mei 2011 om 22:54:

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And here we aaaaaaaare!!! That 4 months are because if you really want "traxtorm" music at your party you're forced to call one of us. We're using music to promote the gigs (but still we care a LOT to quality, don't get me wrong)

I understand this development, when about 90% of the listeners isn't paying for your music, and you want to give 100% for this music, you have to come up with ways to promote yourself. Mainframe did it previously with a label wich releases are all free to be downloaded, and you make your music exclusive for your own artists.

Well, I'm just waiting 'till more and more good tracks arrive. In my opnion it's still far too shallow, all that what's released. We need more passion, atmosphere and good quality kicks in the tracks. Each tracks has to stand for itself, not just a copy of a copy. Only then the Hardcore scene can survive, 'cause if there's one thing obvious, it's that the scene in Holland is going backwards way too fast at the moment.

Okay, the scenes in foreign countries are expanding right now, but a good bastion in Holland is much too important.

So, we can all talk about money/income that comes to existance from record releases, but without gigs most of the artist will be behind the counter of Jumbo, Albert Heijn or other stores.

... and then, at the end... there'll be about zero new releases...

Just my opnion...

Uitspraak van DJ Sequence op vrijdag 6 mei 2011 om 09:54:

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Well, I'm just waiting 'till more and more good tracks arrive. In my opnion it's still far too shallow, all that what's released. We need more passion, atmosphere and good quality kicks in the tracks. Each tracks has to stand for itself, not just a copy of a copy. Only then the Hardcore scene can survive, 'cause if there's one thing obvious, it's that the scene in Holland is going backwards way too fast at the moment.

True that, exactly my thoughts about the hardcore nowadays.

I also think hardcore listeners are more difficult than the listeners in other genres. Everything has been done, and of course the largest number of people like the mainstream how it is, but it's us, the people who really know their music and love different sounding hardcore, who give feedback to the artists.

Hey man you is verii good dj i like your handdrawing please!!!!!!!!

Jezus alles in het engels........

Komt je middelbare school toch nog van pas

Uitspraak van verwijderd op vrijdag 6 mei 2011 om 10:45:

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Jezus alles in het engels........

Ved moelukke taal he

Hallo Art of Fighter. Ich habe einige Fragen an Sie. Wo denkst du die Hardcore-Szene wird in 5 Jahren? Und wer ist der beste niederländische DJ in der Szene? Nehmen Sie eine Menge von Drogen während der Erstellung dieses verrückte Musik? Und wie alt bist du?

Uitspraak van Pascal [ Outrage ] op donderdag 5 mei 2011 om 19:58:

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Uitspraak van Dark Byte op donderdag 5 mei 2011 om 19:49:
I think it's kinda odd you are still struggling with this

I got a 40 hr job so i make music during the evening and weekends. With that, i practically never got any help with it ( only 1 or 2 times ) and as a producer without much time, i need at least 1 release in a year or the booking-rate will go downwards.

Exactly. I tried to learn cubase a year ago. Even paid for some lessons, but due the lack of time. I'm just an inch further then a year ago. It takes so much time. But we can't just give up our work (our income) and go for the music. Cause if it fails, your as good as broken .

Uitspraak van CristianAoF op donderdag 5 mei 2011 om 20:06:

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We clearly knew that a LOT of people will be pissed off, but we decided to pay this price.

Nice way of thinking there !

Uitspraak van CristianAoF op donderdag 5 mei 2011 om 22:54:

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By the way, nice new Meccano Twins release Cristian

thanks a lot!!! Was quite hard to make it sounding different from "ice", glad you enjoy it!

We did! I like the energy in Combustion alot!

Uitspraak van .Wendel op donderdag 5 mei 2011 om 23:33:

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Thnx btw Cristian for the answers

This!

Uitspraak van The Insurgent op vrijdag 6 mei 2011 om 01:22:

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A CD with a nice cover and maybe a booklet with some background info would be nice though.

Like I mentioned before... something like this

would be nice. I think this will be a good-selling item for Dj's like us.
So we have something in our hand, and not just a lazy digital mp3. And so we don't need to make cd's over and over again.
Never thought about that Cristian?

Uitspraak van DJ Sequence op vrijdag 6 mei 2011 om 09:54:

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Well, I'm just waiting till more and more good tracks arrive. In my opnion it's still far too shallow, all that what's released. We need more passion, atmosphere and good quality kicks in the tracks. Each tracks has to stand for itself, not just a copy of a copy

True, we are waiting t0o, so when does your new track will be revealed?

Uitspraak van Fonzi - 50% of The Noisemaking Criminals op vrijdag 6 mei 2011 om 11:13:

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True, we are waiting t0o, so when does your new track will be revealed?

Mike and I got some problems with our computers. Mike now has a new system to work with (Mac), so he's trying to find his way through it. My new computer is almost finished. Busy trying to make it work as good as possible. Anyway, we hope to be up and running very soon and then, of course, we'll be picking up some projects.

Uitspraak van kapsalon op vrijdag 6 mei 2011 om 11:04:

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Hallo Art of Fighter. Ich habe einige Fragen an Sie. Wo denkst du die Hardcore-Szene wird in 5 Jahren? Und wer ist der beste niederländische DJ in der Szene? Nehmen Sie eine Menge von Drogen während der Erstellung dieses verrückte Musik? Und wie alt bist du?

Uitspraak van DJ Sequence op vrijdag 6 mei 2011 om 11:30:

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Mike and I got some problems with our computers. Mike now has a new system to work with (Mac), so he's trying to find his way through it. My new computer is almost finished.

MAC Slechte zaak dit

Mensen kopen toch ook spijkerbroeken van 150 euro die voor 10 euro gemaakt worden vanwege het merk; dat doet Apple met computers.

en met telefoons, en met tablets

En met al die dingen heb ik liever de gulden middenweg. Beetje betalen voor looks is leuk, maar apple naait je hard.

Uitspraak van verwijderd op vrijdag 6 mei 2011 om 11:36:

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MAC Slechte zaak dit

Nope, altijd gezworen bij pc en heb verder niks specifieks met Apple. Echter na de zoveelste PC die het binnen een paar jaar begaf en/of de grootste problemen gaf was ik er wel klaar mee. Mac's zijn gewoon erg stabiel en uitmate geschikt voor werken met programma's als Cubase bijvoorbeeld. Echter het laatste project waar aan gewerkt op de pc werd ben ik nu weer van scratch (kicks en geluiden weg) opnieuw aan het bouwen. Tel daar het gebrek aan tijd (full-time aan het werk en andere verplichtingen) en het gaat allemaal niet zo snel als ik zou willen. Nu echter mezelf deadlines gesteld, dus hopelijk gaan jullie snel weer wat horen.

Uitspraak van verwijderd op vrijdag 6 mei 2011 om 11:56:

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Echter na de zoveelste PC die het binnen een paar jaar begaf en/of de grootste problemen gaf was ik er wel klaar mee.

Zelfbouw PC's of kant-en-klaar-PCtjes van HP oid?

Ik wil er ook zelf één gaan bouwen binnenkort, slechte of goede zaak?

Dj D - Shock the future (Hellsystem rmx)

Uitspraak van Dark Byte op vrijdag 6 mei 2011 om 11:57:

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Zelfbouw PC's of kant-en-klaar-PCtjes van HP oid?

Lang leve de zelfbouw pc's!!! Ik bouw ze al sinds m'n 16e en heb echt NOOIT problemen gehad. Die ik nu heb, heb ik vorig jaar in elkaar gebouwd en in die tijd nog nooit een vastloper gehad.

Uitspraak van Pascal [ Outrage ] op vrijdag 6 mei 2011 om 12:14:

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Lang leve de zelfbouw pc's!!! Ik bouw ze al sinds m'n 16e en heb echt NOOIT problemen gehad. Die ik nu heb, heb ik vorig jaar in elkaar gebouwd en in die tijd nog nooit een vastloper gehad.

Ja die kant en klare dingen hebben soms zulke rare specificaties

Uitspraak van verwijderd op vrijdag 6 mei 2011 om 11:50:

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maar apple naait je hard.

Klets niet Een MAC is uiteindelijk veel stabieler dan een PC. Dus als jij niet continue wil dat je sequencers crashen, dan krijg je met een MAC veel meer waar voor je geld.

Uitspraak van verwijderd op vrijdag 6 mei 2011 om 12:14:

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Ik wil er ook zelf één gaan bouwen binnenkort, slechte of goede zaak?

Als je het kan een goede zaak hehe... Ik bouw al jaren m'n eigen pc's en dat gaat prima; alles draait stabiel en net even wat sneller Maargoed, ik koop dan ook elke 2 a 3 jaar nieuwe onderdelen Kan me voorstellen dan zo'n kant en klare HP of Acer het na 6 jaar wel een keer begeeft. En precies dat soort mensen denken dan met een Apple beter af te zijn.

Uitspraak van Krauser op vrijdag 6 mei 2011 om 12:16:

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Klets niet Een MAC is uiteindelijk veel stabieler dan een PC. Dus als jij niet continue wil dat je sequencers crashen, dan krijg je met een MAC veel meer waar voor je geld.

Draai nu 3 jaar lang met een laptop + windows 7 en het enige probleem dat ik heb gehad was dat me schijf kapot was omdat hij was gevallen. Nieuw schijfje er in en gaan.
Heb serieus weinig last met windows, ik gebruik hem voor hetzelfde als de mac gebruikers: muziek, school/werk, hobby. Met uitzondering dat ik nog een game kan spelen op zijn tijd.

Uitspraak van verwijderd op vrijdag 6 mei 2011 om 12:24:

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een laptop

Dat is al iets heel anders dan een desktop PC

Uitspraak van Krauser op vrijdag 6 mei 2011 om 12:25:

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Dat is al iets heel anders dan een desktop PC

qua functionaliteit van het besturingssysteem niet (want daar praten we over, we zeggen mac vs pc maar we bedoelen osx vs windows).
Feit blijft dat als je met windows gewoon normaal werkt en niet constant dubieuze porno download en geen zooi binnen haalt via dubieuze sites, je tegenwoordig nergens last van hebt.

Hier uiteraard ook zelfbouw en de enige zooi die crasht is zooi waar ik eigenlijk voor zou moeten betalen . Eigen schuld, dus ik klaag niet .

Uitspraak van verwijderd op vrijdag 6 mei 2011 om 12:29:

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en niet constant dubieuze porno download

En dat was nou net het probleem bij Ominous.

Precies. En wat hij zegt:

Uitspraak van Dark Byte op vrijdag 6 mei 2011 om 13:07:

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Hier uiteraard ook zelfbouw en de enige zooi die crasht is zooi waar ik eigenlijk voor zou moeten betalen . Eigen schuld, dus ik klaag niet .

Uitspraak van DJ Sequence op vrijdag 6 mei 2011 om 13:12:

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En dat was nou net het probleem bij Ominous.

I lol'd

Uitspraak van DJ Sequence op vrijdag 6 mei 2011 om 13:12:

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En dat was nou net het probleem bij Ominous.

Ik vermoedde al dat hij daar wel een handje naar heeft