Duitse Hardcore

In 1992/1993 leek het erop dat ook Duitsland een belangrijke speler zou worden in de hardcore/gabber-wereld. Er kwamen veel harde producties vandaan die hier erg populair waren. Artiesten als DJ Dick, Marusha, Speedfreak, Rotterdam Native, PCP, Roland BPM stonden op de Nightmare-feesten in de Energiehal, Rotterdam.
Bekende namen uit de Duitse-scene brachten hard werk uit, namen als Interactive, DJ Hooligan, Genlog, Hardsequencer, Sequential One. En toen ineens was het over. De harde sound verdween en werd verruild voor trance en techno. Op grote feesten als Mayday werd hardcore geboycot na de "Judgement Day"-editie in 1993. Artiesten als Lenny Dee en PCP werden op dat feest "getreiterd" door de organisatie. Vandaar de track van deze 2 namen: Leathernecks - At War



Hardcore werd toen underground in Duitsland. PCP bleef trouw aan de hardcore, net als The Speedfreak.
In Nederland werd de sound softer en happy hardcore zag het licht. In Duitsland werden hardtrance en de zogenaamde "rave" sound populair. Artiesten als RMB, Westbam, Dune, Mark'Oh, Raver's Nature, Microwave Prince, Sunbeam scoorden hits. Het groeide dus weer een beetje naar elkaar toe.

In 1994 ontstonden er in Duitsland ook steeds meer underground labels met een harde gabbersound (terror), bijvoorbeeld Strike Records en Fischkopf Hamburg. In vergelijking met Nederland is Duitsland altijd veel harder geweest. In Berlijn bevond zich de hardste club ter wereld; de Bunker. Ook kende Berlijn de Fuck Parade, de harde tegenhanger van de Love Parade. De in de Nederland begonnen compilatieserie Terrordrome werd later (vanaf deel 4) door de Duitsers overgenomen.



De Nederlandse sound in de hoogtijdagen van de hardcore (1996/1997) is naar mijn weten nooit in Duitsland aangeslagen. Mike Oh'Man van European Hardcore United was wel bekend bij ons maar voor de rest waren er niet echt nieuwe noemenswaardige Duitse hardcoreproducers in die tijd.

Speedcore kent/kende ook een redelijk grote aanhang in Duitsland. United Speedcore Nation en later Braindestruction Recordz zijn hele bekende en belangrijke labels voor het genre (geweest).


Eigenlijk dus jammer dat daar nooit een echte grote hardcore-scene is ontstaan zoals bij ons of Italie...

Wat vinden jullie? Aanvullende informatie?

Hardcore verdween in Duitsland pas na 1995, dus niet 1993. Zie bijv. mayday van 94 nog gewoon Paul Elstak, Gizmo

Verder veel respect voor je bijdrages hier op PF! Ga zo door.

Uitspraak van Epistaxis op zondag 5 augustus 2012 om 09:25:

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Op grote feesten als Mayday werd hardcore geboycot na de "Judgement Day"-editie in 1993. Artiesten als Lenny Dee en PCP werden op dat feest "getreiterd" door de organisatie. Vandaar de track van deze 2 namen: Leathernecks - At War

Veto. In 1994/1995 there still where some Hardcore acts representing this sound at Mayday. Even in 1996/1997 there was one hard act (Liza N Eliaz) booked at Mayday. 1998 was the first Mayday without any Hardcore/Gabber sound.

Uitspraak van Epistaxis op zondag 5 augustus 2012 om 09:25:

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De Nederlandse sound in de hoogtijdagen van de hardcore (1996/1997) is naar mijn weten nooit in Duitsland aangeslagen. Mike Oh'Man van European Hardcore United was wel bekend bij ons maar voor de rest waren er niet echt nieuwe noemenswaardige Duitse hardcoreproducers in die tijd.

Germany had his own sound at this time. The whole PCP crew, Nordcore, Gabba Nation Berlin, Shockwave Recordings. This was German Hardcore. Mike Oh Man was and still is just a copy of that what was/is trendy in the Netherlands.

Uitspraak van Epistaxis op zondag 5 augustus 2012 om 09:25:

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Speedcore kent/kende ook een redelijk grote aanhang in Duitsland. United Speedcore Nation en later Braindestruction Recordz zijn hele bekende en belangrijke labels voor het genre (geweest).

Just in the eastern part of the country. As closer you get to the border to Holland as more you hear the influence of yours.

Uitspraak van Epistaxis op zondag 5 augustus 2012 om 09:25:

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Eigenlijk dus jammer dat daar nooit een echte grote hardcore-scene is ontstaan zoals bij ons of Italie...

At some point the scene in Germany was quite as big or even bigger than in the Netherlands. Just remember your downtime in Hardcore 1999-2001. There weren't many big partys held in Holland where on a regulary basis partys were given in Germany for 2-3000 people (1-2 a month).
Resident E (Acardipane) had his biggest high here and also P.T.P. (DJ Ron & Co.) build a name throughout the years. But this all just lasted until aprox. 2003. After that the German scene slowly died once more.

But there is a new breed of German producers who have the capability to create something new on their own again.

Here's an example how German Hardcore sounds nowadays.

https://partyflock.nl/topic/1134049:Destroy_your_Destiny_Hardcore_Attack_Issue_4

Interessant

Niet zozeer hardcore gebaseerd maar de Duitse rave cultuur is groot geworden na de val van de Berlijnse muur. Oost- en West-Duitsland werden herenigd. Muziek was de verbinding tussen de mensen. Overal in Berlijn stonden lege panden waarvan niet aangetoond kon worden wie de rechtmatige eigenaar was. Dus wie een club wilde openen kon gewoon een pand kraken en er een club van maken. Politie en justitie hadden toch andere prioriteiten. Ondertussen ontstond ook in die periode de Love Parade en de rest van de geschiedenis ken je vast wel.

Destino > Thank you very much for clearing things out and the interesting information!

Je had in 1992/1993/1994 ook labels als Overdrive, Labworks en Harthouse die vrij harde platen uitbrachten.
Die Shocker-compilaties vond ik toen ook echt geweldig!

Uitspraak van verwijderd op zondag 5 augustus 2012 om 16:18:

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Niet zozeer hardcore gebaseerd maar de Duitse rave cultuur is groot geworden na de val van de Berlijnse muur. Oost- en West-Duitsland werden herenigd. Muziek was de verbinding tussen de mensen. Overal in Berlijn stonden lege panden waarvan niet aangetoond kon worden wie de rechtmatige eigenaar was. Dus wie een club wilde openen kon gewoon een pand kraken en er een club van maken. Politie en justitie hadden toch andere prioriteiten. Ondertussen ontstond ook in die periode de Love Parade en de rest van de geschiedenis ken je vast wel.

Yes, Techno was a massive phenomenon in Germany. But until 1996 also the "Happy Hardcore" was quite big over here. Just look at Marusha, Westbam, Raver's Nature, etc... it surely sounded different to the dutch sound and was called "Rave" (stupid name) back then but for me it was just the German extension of that sound.

But the term "Hardcore" never really got big in the media. 1993 nearly everything in Techno/Rave culture was Hardcore so that doesn't count.
As soon as this Gabberfashion with bold heads etc started it was slowly but surely banned from everywhere. The magazines gave the music a bad name and a stupid attitude to be for aggressive people and junkies. This "wrong" picture of the scene made it impossible for the music to become really big over here.

Duitslans wel altijd breakcore scene gehad met labels als hart de fakte, sprengstoff, restroom
artiesten als lfo demon, zombieflesheater, amboss etc etc
en natuurlijk niet te vergeten de mannen/grondleggers van dit alles van DHR label (atari teenage riot met Alec empire)
en Patric Catani, die onder de hardcore liefhebbers bekend is onder zn alias E-de-Cologne, ook nog wel genoeg hardcore producties volgens mij door de jaren 90 heen

Ja precies, vooral de E-de-Cologne platen op Shockwave Recordings (label van The Speedfreak & BC Kid) zijn echt zo geweldig! Hij heeft ook dingen op Fischkopf uitgebracht als Eradicator.

Uitspraak van dikke dragonder op zondag 5 augustus 2012 om 17:07:

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Duitslans wel altijd breakcore scene gehad met labels als hart de fakte, sprengstoff, restroom

Yes but this was and still is a totally different scene. Left-wing politics and more for a "punk" crowd than Ravers.

Naast natuurlijke de vele evergreens van Marc Acardipane en consorten (PCP) zijn dit ook een aantal Duitse klassiekers die het hem nog steeds doen voor mij anno 2012:

Norman - The Big Deal
Sequential One - Dance
Obsessive - Tune In Turn Out
Taciturne - Der Toten
Hardsequencer - Braincrash
Naked Steal - Vive La France
Influid - Push The Button
C-Tank - Nightmares Are Reality

Destino> Wasn't there a German hardcore magazine called Beschädigt? And who were the most popular dj's? Guys like Trauma XP, Sascha from Gabba Nation, Lonely Freek?

Uitspraak van Destino op zondag 5 augustus 2012 om 17:38:

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es but this was and still is a totally different scene. Left-wing politics and more for a "punk" crowd than Ravers.

true, but better crowd imo. Visited a few parties in germany, wasted in berlin for instance, and was very nice

Was this compilation providing a good overview of Germany´s hardcore-scene in 2003?



http://www.discogs.com/Various-Project-Germanys-Famoust-The-Compilation/release/250475

Uitspraak van Epistaxis op zondag 5 augustus 2012 om 09:25:

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Strike Records en Fischkopf Hamburg

Uitspraak van dikke dragonder op zondag 5 augustus 2012 om 17:07:

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Duitslans wel altijd breakcore scene gehad met labels als hart de fakte, sprengstoff, restroom

Zo leer je nog eens wat op PF.

Wat speedcore betreft; er worden nog steeds regelmatig speedcorefeesten gegeven in de Kili Club in Berlijn. Volgens mij is daar maandelijks dan niet bijna maandelijks Trash 'n Core.

Uitspraak van Epistaxis op zondag 5 augustus 2012 om 18:00:

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Destino> Wasn't there a German hardcore magazine called Beschädigt? And who were the most popular dj's? Guys like Trauma XP, Sascha from Gabba Nation, Lonely Freek?

There were many magazines through the years. Beschädigt, Hakkerz, E-Mag... But all very small and most of the time free of charge.

To vote a most popular DJ in Germany is nearly impossible cause there isn't "one united scene" over here. The DJs mostly stay in their territorie (N, E, S, W). For example Sascha rarely played outside of Berlin. The Speed Freak got world famous but he can call himself lucky if he plays one time a year in his home country.
The scene in the Western part near to Holland was always (and still is) the biggest because they copied the dutch style and cooperated with ID&T and other big organisations. The scene in North and East Germany was the totally opposite (Nordcore, Gabba Nation) and pointed with their fingers on them being too commercial, etc...

There were a few projects to bring the scene together like this compilation you posted above but overall it's still divided and everyone "cooks in his own kitchen".

And yes, it compiled the different styles that were present on partys at that time.

Uitspraak van Epistaxis op zondag 5 augustus 2012 om 09:25:

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Eigenlijk dus jammer dat daar nooit een echte grote hardcore-scene is ontstaan zoals bij ons of Italie...

Enige voordeel is dat door het succes van de mainstreamsound er op grote feesten plaats is voor de meer experimentele kanten van hardcore. Muzikaal is er geen zak aan.

Veel geniale dingen uitgebracht in die tijd, vooral uit de periode 94-98 komen er geniale platen van de labels die hier al zijn opgenoemd^^

Another good example is Frankfurt. Got famous for PCP an their specific sound but there was no big scene or partys over there which supported this in any way. They got their fame only across the border.

Thanks for the answers man! So the Northern scene - hence the name Nordcore? - liked to use the term 'hartcore' instead of 'hardcore', because they considered that a totally different sound than the Dutch hardcore? Does Nordcore still exist? And what about other Northern groups like Gabba Front Berlin & Schwerin Hardcore Family? And why the disstrack by DJ Fistfuck (aka Speedfreak) "T.B.'s Gehirnamputation (Operation Mordcore)" (TB -> Thomas Böttcher or The Butcher)?
Sorry for this shitload of questions but you seem to own a great knowledge about German hardcore.

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Uitspraak van Epistaxis op zondag 5 augustus 2012 om 19:29:

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Thanks for the answers man! So the Northern scene - hence the name Nordcore? - liked to use the term 'hartcore' instead of 'hardcore', because they considered that a totally different sound than the Dutch hardcore? Does Nordcore still exist? And what about other Northern groups like Gabba Front Berlin & Schwerin Hardcore Family? And why the disstrack by DJ Fistfuck (aka Speedfreak) "T.B.'s Gehirnamputation (Operation Mordcore)" (TB -> Thomas Böttcher or The Butcher)?
Sorry for this shitload of questions but you seem to own a great knowledge about German hardcore.

haha, no problem! Let me throw my dangerous smattering knowledge upon you. ^^

Exactly, Nordcore comes from Hamburg which lies in the North of our country so it was called this way. Yes they named it Hartcore because hard is spelled hart in German and so they had a way to promote their own sound under this pseudonym. Nordcore released their last tunes digitally in 2007 but no partys were being held for 5 years. There was a Nordcore party this year in Hamburg and maybe they resurrect but I can't give you more exact information in this case.

Thomas Böttcher (the main man behind Nordcore) wasn't a really famous person within the scene. He ripped off DJs or banned them from his Partys for hilarious reasons. So he did with The Speed Freak and this track was his answer to him.

Schwerin Hardcore Family organizes partys in their city since 1996 I guess. But the scene over there is quite small. The releases on the label are also very limited and more collector's items.

GFB is located in Berlin and more the Eastern part of Germany. I know nothing interesting about them but their releases. They are survivors of the Bunker family I guess.

Als we kijken naar de eerste Thunderdome-cd's dan waren de Duitsers wel redelijk vertegenwoordigd:

Thunderdome I:

DJ Hooligan - B.O.T.T.R.O.P.
Interactive - Amok
The Speedfreak - Sonic Mine EP

Thunderdome II:

Search & Destroy - What Kind Of Madness
Headbanger - Was Is'n Teschno
Biochip C - Bass Invaders (Remix)
Mike Ink & The Chain Of Brotherhood - Lovely Ugly Brutal World
Fuckmasters - Lick My Ass
C-Tank - Biolunch
Sorcerer - The Silence
Fazer - When I'm Gone

Thunderdome III:

Leathernecks - At War
Program 1 - World's Famous MF (Live At Hellraiser Amsterdam)
Frankfurt Terror Corp p- Mr. Dabolina
Tumor - Tumult
Ace Cosmic - Why
Nasty Django - King Of FFM

Thunderdome IV:

Hardsequencer - Noise Is The Message (Remix)
Ilsa Gold - Silke (The Speedfreak Remix)
Car & Driver - Passiv
RMB - The Place To Be
Sorcerer - Summer
NIP Collective - Weekend Track
Nasty Django - SGE
Casseopaya - 10 Seconds To Terminate Live
E-De-Cologne - Zimboculture
Speedfreak - Red Poison Part 1
E-De-Cologne - Ein Bisschen Frieden
Speedfreak - Red Poison Part 3

Thunderdome V:

Hardsequencer - Feel So Good
Genlog - Revolution

(Dr Mindfuck - Beine was a dutch production, Sauerkraut also)

Thunderdome VI:

Creepozoids - One More Time
Play Dead - Fuck You Up!

Uitspraak van Destino op zondag 5 augustus 2012 om 20:10:

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Schwerin Hardcore Family organizes partys in their city since 1996 I guess. But the scene over there is quite small. The releases on the label are also very limited and more collector's items.

Yes, and they were the first to release GFB's Lacrima Mosa Est on vinyl on their Doomsday Records label.

Godverdomme zeg.. er word zowaar weer wat nuttigs gepost op PF!

Destino > Can you please give me some info about (IMO) obscure German acts?
Acts like:

Xol Dog 400
BassPhase
The Obituary HC
Lord Nord
Cenobit
Mind Terrorists
BSE DJ Team
E 605
Ad Absurdum

I guess some of us Dutch guys know these names from compilations like Terrordrome? But were they very known in the scene of Germany?

2003-2007 most of the old Hardcore labels stopped or died in Germany, like Acardipane Records, Kotzaak, P.T.P., Shockwave, Nordcore... besides a few small Speedcore or Uptempo labels like Strike and the whole SBM-Catalog there were no labels which supported Hardcore anymore.

Until today nearly all big German Hardcore acts release their music outside of Germany. Speed Freak in France, Stormtrooper & Stan Grewzell in USA, Slavefriese, Moleculez, Mortifer, Embrionyc, Squaresoundz in NL... with a few exceptions.

Important Records started a few labels for new talent but the sound is mainly Dutch Mainstream Hardcore so nothing I would call German Hardcore.

voor sommige mensen mischien ook interessant is de grote duitse industrial/noise scene

is/ was iig ook altijd heel groot daar met toplabels als ant-zen en hands productions

Uitspraak van Epistaxis op zondag 5 augustus 2012 om 21:18:

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Xol Dog 400
BassPhase
The Obituary HC
Lord Nord
Cenobit
Mind Terrorists
BSE DJ Team
E 605
Ad Absurdum

The scene for this kind of music wasn't that big. Small underground events for max. 2-300 people. Most of these acts played at Nordcore's Box or at the Bunker in Berlin. I never seen one of them in West Germany (where I live).

The only interesting thing you might not know is that Lord Nord (Marco Hartmann) was the producer of all the early Nordcore "hits". He and Thomas Böttcher split up in 1996/1997 and as a diss towards Nordcore and being responsible for the sound they invented he named himself Lord Nord.

Uitspraak van Epistaxis op zondag 5 augustus 2012 om 09:25:

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In vergelijking met Nederland is Duitsland altijd veel harder geweest

das duidelijk idd, en dat is nog steeds zo

Uitspraak van Epistaxis op zondag 5 augustus 2012 om 09:25:

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Fuck Parade

dat heette in het begin nog de Hate Parade
zelfde logo als Love Parade maar dan met handgranaten ipv hartjes

maar ik vind zeker dat je interessante topics opent

25 aug. weer FuPa.

Uitspraak van Destino op zondag 5 augustus 2012 om 21:35:

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2003-2007 most of the old Hardcore labels stopped or died in Germany, like Acardipane Records, Kotzaak, P.T.P., Shockwave, Nordcore... besides a few small Speedcore or Uptempo labels like Strike and the whole SBM-Catalog there were no labels which supported Hardcore anymore.

That's a very sad thing


German hardcore labels (years according to Discogs);

No Mercy Records (1992 - 1998)
Planet Core Productions (1990 - 1997)
Cold Rush Records (1993 - 1997)
Super Special Corp. (1992 - 2001)
Dance Ecstasy 2001 (1990 - 2000)
F%@#ing Loud! (1992 - 1994)
Kotzaak Unltd (1994 - 2006)
Hellrazor Records (1993 - 1994)
Strike Records (1993 - 2010)
Cut-X Records (2002)
Fischkopf Hamburg (1994 - 1998)
Juncalor Records (1994 - 1997)
Hardrive Records (1997 - 2006)
Hakke Hardcore Heroes (1999 - 2010)
Total Brutal Records (1997 - 1998)
Hate System (2000 - 2001)
War Records (1996 - 1999)
Shockwave Recordings (1994 - 2003)
Napalm (1994 - 2003)
EBE Company (1997 - 2005)
Nordcore Records (1995 - 2007)
Kopfkrank Records (2000 - 2010)
United Speedcore Nation (1999)
Braindestruction Recordz (2001 - 2010)
Gabba Nation Records (1996 - 2009)
Doomsday Records (2002 - 2008)
European Hardcore United (1996 - 1998)
Acardipane Records (1997 - 2003)
Violent Recordings (1996 - 2009)

Am I forgetting some?

PTP Records

Uitspraak van Epistaxis op maandag 6 augustus 2012 om 08:09:

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EBE Company (1997 - 2005)

They had the last release in 2010, that one is not on discogs https://www.recess.nl/vinyl/info/return-at-2-zero-1-zero-ebe-company/44748/

Uitspraak van Destino op zondag 5 augustus 2012 om 21:35:

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Important Records started a few labels for new talent but the sound is mainly Dutch Mainstream Hardcore so nothing I would call German Hardcore.

Uitspraak van Tumult op maandag 6 augustus 2012 om 10:24:

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Uitspraak van Epistaxis op maandag 6 augustus 2012 om 08:09:
EBE Company (1997 - 2005)

They had the last release in 2010, that one is not on discogs https://www.recess.nl/vinyl/info/return-at-2-zero-1-zero-ebe-company/44748/

Ja het werd in 2010 overgenomen door Important Records

Some more (defunct) labels:

Resident E Recordings (released a record this year after 8 years of silence)
Solar Eclipse (started releasing digitally 2 years ago after a looong break)
The Devil's Brood

Uitspraak van Epistaxis op maandag 6 augustus 2012 om 10:53:

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Ja het werd in 2010 overgenomen door Important Records

EBE Company releases independently on his own again. His work with Important Records stopped in 2011.

huh is Strike records er ook mee gestopt?

Uitspraak van Destino op zondag 5 augustus 2012 om 16:57:

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Yes, Techno was a massive phenomenon in Germany. But until 1996 also the "Happy Hardcore" was quite big over here. Just look at Marusha, Westbam, Raver's Nature, etc... it surely sounded different to the dutch sound and was called "Rave" (stupid name) back then but for me it was just the German extension of that sound.

Another question Destino, are you familiar with "New Kids"? I believe it was also huge in Germany. Did this cause some kind of new 'happy hardcore'revival?
Because DJ Paul Elstak made a new "happy hardcore-track" but I believe Scooter also did something. And there is this German style called "Hands Up" (Kirmestechno ) which is some sort of mix of happy hardcore, hardtrance and eurodance. I believe this is pretty big in Germany? Producers like Rocco & Bass-T even call their style Dancecore. So is this Hands Up thing the new German (happy) rave?

Uitspraak van DJ HARDNOIZE op maandag 6 augustus 2012 om 12:02:

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huh is Strike records er ook mee gestopt?

I don't know it exactly. It's getting very silent around SBM and their own labels. They only press limited vinyl editions of 100 for labels like ISR, Fifth Era, etc...

Uitspraak van Epistaxis op maandag 6 augustus 2012 om 12:10:

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Another question Destino, are you familiar with "New Kids"? I believe it was also huge in Germany. Did this cause some kind of new 'happy hardcore'revival?
Because DJ Paul Elstak made a new "happy hardcore-track" but I believe Scooter also did something. And there is this German style called "Hands Up" (Kirmestechno ) which is some sort of mix of happy hardcore, hardtrance and eurodance. I believe this is pretty big in Germany? Producers like Rocco & Bass-T even call their style Dancecore. So is this Hands Up thing the new German (happy) rave?

haha, yes I know New Kids and love them. ^^ But the music in this film hasn't really affected the scene here as far as I know. Scooter is hated by everybody over here but it's the only "Techno" act which remains in the German charts for nearly 20 years, haha! ^^ So somebody must listen to them I guess...
I don't listen to Kirmestechno, Hands Up or Dancecore. I think it's the music that's being played in what we call "Großraumdiskotheken". Big clubs to get teenagers drunk and make a lot of money.


Check this channel for some old videos of Nordcore related partys and acts (1994-1996): http://www.youtube.com/user/drlogic5
There you can see how small the scene over here was and still is compared to the masses in your country.

Awesome channel man!

Uitspraak van Tumult op zondag 5 augustus 2012 om 20:01:

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Some more labels:

Leipzig Terror Squad Recordings
Scrutinizer Productions
Totschlag Records
Special Forces
Berlin Underground Productions

GERMAN GOLD!

www.discogs.com/label/SGC%20Records

German Doomcore label, home of the Dark Invaders.
SGC stands for Splitter-Gruppen-Core.

Weer een geweldig topic van je Epistaxis!!
Duitse labels zijjn sowieso mijn favorieten.

Je vergeet volgens mij in je lijst nog:

Mono Tone (1992 - 1994?)
Brutal Chud (label opgericht door Noize Creator 1995 - 2001)
Dark Park (1996 - 1997)
Speedcore (sublabel van Napalm 1996 - 2008)
Skullduggery Records (1995 - 1996)

Dank voor uw compliment!

En uiteraard voor de aanvullingen!

Podcast from Tanith interviewing Miro (Pajic). Talking about his past at PCP but also his present sound. Sorry only in German.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQJXLlR9Pk8

PCP - Live @ Terror Temple - 28.01.1994
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbq_3pCqzd8

PCP - Live in Leipzig, Germany - 1995
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9l2ufI_s4hA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2N-bh5ODJjg

Old documentary about the scene in Berlin
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vROzAasfSD0

Schwerin Hardcore Family
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HE7iEgjLQSQ

German documetary about the scene in Holland
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3j2mSJHrZ0

Hateparade 1997 - Cut-X - Gabba Nation
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfuaW88jZk4

Documentary about Digital Hardcore Recordings
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dMqvinlOC8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wvgMVOBI-E

Thunderdome - Kölner Sporthalle / Köln 🇩🇪 (11-06-1994)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QS1agDUeRXs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1X4ieGH4mPA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYWluCNUU3E

Thunderdome - Revierpark Vonderort / Oberhausen 🇩🇪 (13-05-1995)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRsz0u8843U
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlsHv20oX2g
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGf_VszT52A

INDUSTRIAL STRENGTH RECORDS TOUR @ EIMER / BERLIN 1997-01-09
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gh05Kr32ma0

Brainstorm vs. From the Deep² Rote Flora / Hamburg 2011-04-02 (imo the best location at this moment for underground partys in Germany)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnzuxd0Fesg

Very nice Destino, thanks for posting all of these!

Uitspraak van Destino op zondag 5 augustus 2012 om 21:44:

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in West Germany (where I live)

Can you name some artists / dj's / labels from your area?

http://documentaryheaven.com/we-call-it-techno/ -> zeer de moeite waard, via torrent is er vast een versie in nog betere kwaliteit te vinden

gaat over het ontstaan van de house scene in Duitsland

mayday 92-94
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0a51K0TYmaM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_ODWIlNO3I

Love is the answer > Topbijdragen!

Oude Duitse Piano-muziek

ook nog een geniaal label:
http://www.discogs.com/label/Hartplastik+Records

Uitspraak van Epistaxis op dinsdag 7 augustus 2012 om 06:59:

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Can you name some artists / dj's / labels from your area?

Of course... the biggest and baddest motherfuckers around should be me and my homey. https://partyflock.nl/artist/66434:Destroy_your_Destiny

To be serious... I live at the border to NL geographically in between Arnhem and Nijmegen. The scene here always was and is based on the Dutch scene. The only artists from here whom made a name throughout the years should be Masters Of Noise: https://partyflock.nl/artist/1828:Masters_of_Noise
The main man behind this project also organizes the biggest Hardcore events in Germany today, like Army Of Hardcore in the Turbinenhalle Oberhausen and many others.

Köln also lies in Nordrhein-Westfalen so E-De-Cologne was also a memoriable artist at some point. Also DJ Hooligan from Bottrop.

In 1994 Mike Oh Man made a name with his European Hardcore United label and partys and also many cooperations with ID&T.

After that DJ Ron started Pump This Party (P.T.P.) and invented the Nightmare in Germany events and many other big partys besides his record label (with Baby Raw, The Profiler, Ultimate Warlords, DJ Fozz-4, The Depudee, DJ Mystery, Ezkimo, a.m.o...).

The Solar Eclipse label also was located in NRW in the "Ruhrgebiet" (the biggest scene within the whole country) to be more exact.

Today Important Records in Essen is the biggest supporter of Hardcore/Gabber in Germany. http://www.important-records.net/
They host many labels and try to give new talent a chance to release their music.

At the moment acts like Embrionyc, Raum 107, Stocker, Hurricane DJ/Millenia Beatz, KPX, Jane Ephex, S.T.U.R.M., Squaresoundz, R’cee, D-Ceptor, Newstyler, Thorax, Tensor & Re-Direction, Suspect Zero, Pzyco Beat Project, Stuffmaker, Corruptive Chaos, Zorc & Sha-Kaal would be the ones for me who should be mentioned.

Again great information, thanks!

I'm gonna ask some German guys on YouTube how they look at their scene nowadays (already 2 replies):



So I checked this site from Saxony Speedcore Force, and I saw this text saying "Fuck Planet Weichcore". Is this a reaction on Nordcore 'Planet Hartcore'-thing? I know Bakalla made a track named "Weichcore".

Love that track by Schwanzgefecht!

Uitspraak van Epistaxis op woensdag 8 augustus 2012 om 16:01:

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Is this a reaction on Nordcore 'Planet Hartcore'-thing? I know Bakalla made a track named "Weichcore".

Don't think so. It's just a word play.

Weichcore = weakcore/softcore? Referring to happy hardcore or Dutch style in general?

Uitspraak van Epistaxis op woensdag 8 augustus 2012 om 16:13:

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Weichcore = weakcore/softcore? Referring to happy hardcore or Dutch style in general?

Yes... Some dudes over here always want to be the hardest. ^^

I haven't seen the Kick Down label yet. I have 2 records, both from Terror Arnold
I don't know about the rest, but Terror in Frankfurt still is a classic, brings me way back



Maybe not real hardcore, but very nice if you ask me; Planoforce - listen to me and Miro - Rising high




What about this one; Ebe Company - Lightning



Miro is my fav, also as Stickhead
But also mr Damm with his sick sampling and acid sounds But then i mostly prefer Biochip C

What always occurred to me is that in Germany the best melodies are made if you ask me.
Dark, minor, happy, no matter what style, a lot of tracks with great atmosphere..
Stickhead for example is some really hard shit, but the atmosphere in those tracks, damn!
When I bought PCP - Bigger Bolder Better in 1996, I was a bit surprised, being used to Thunderdomes
I did listen to Terrordromes before that, but kotzaak/PCP was really different Almost hypnotizing

Uitspraak van Misery Motion op woensdag 8 augustus 2012 om 17:00:

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Terror Arnold

Ja, van de groep Global Hardcore Source!

oh dat wist ik dan weer niet die hebben ook een paar leuke tracks gemaakt
veel jatwerk, maar ach, wie deed dat niet destijds

iemand trouwens enig idee waar het melodietje van Let's go vandaan komt?
ik had het eens ergens gezien, maar vergeten



Lekker rave the city klappertje

Is hier van

Ook duits

Uitspraak van Epistaxis op woensdag 8 augustus 2012 om 16:13:

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Weichcore = weakcore/softcore? Referring to happy hardcore or Dutch style in general?

dan geef ik m groot gelijk

Uitspraak van Destino op woensdag 8 augustus 2012 om 16:15:

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Yes... Some dudes over here always want to be the hardest.

harder than Holland in that time was soooo easy

Uitspraak van DJ HARDNOIZE op maandag 6 augustus 2012 om 12:02:

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huh is Strike records er ook mee gestopt?

Ja bizar hé, dat label was een aantal jaren geleden echt wel populair. Met I:Gor, Detest, Raw State, Max Death. Goed label, wel aardig wat platen van liggen.

Dat label waar C-Tank Nightmares are reality op is uitgekomen is gewoon nog steeds actief, Overdrive records http://www.discogs.com/label/Overdrive

Nog 2 labels van Miro waar beide maar 1 of 2 releases op uit zijn gebracht

Redirect Records
FW Recordings http://www.discogs.com/label/FW+Recordings

Uitspraak van Destino op woensdag 8 augustus 2012 om 15:25:

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To be serious... I live at the border to NL geographically in between Arnhem and Nijmegen.

Have you ever visited the Turn it up/2insanity parties in Elten?

Uitspraak van nano.strike op donderdag 9 augustus 2012 om 08:32:

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Have you ever visited the Turn it up/2insanity parties in Elten?

Haha, yes Elten was da shit! Had a lot of fun there 97/98 and 2000. After that the Ranger-Legion ruined the atmosphere.

That's funny, i've been there myself a couple of times as well. And yes, those "rangers" (these must be the "wrong" gabbers), indeed messed things up. Though It was very hilarious to see with what kind of clothing they showed up each time..

Uitspraak van Tumult op donderdag 9 augustus 2012 om 08:12:

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Ja bizar hé, dat label was een aantal jaren geleden echt wel populair. Met I:Gor, Detest, Raw State, Max Death. Goed label, wel aardig wat platen van liggen.

das minder
ik heb er ook een boel platen van, zowel oude als nieuwere

Uitspraak van Destino op donderdag 9 augustus 2012 om 12:47:

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After that the Ranger-Legion ruined the atmosphere.

Ranger-Legion?

Uitspraak van nano.strike op donderdag 9 augustus 2012 om 12:53:

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That's funny, i've been there myself a couple of times as well. And yes, those "rangers" (these must be the "wrong" gabbers), indeed messed things up. Though It was very hilarious to see with what kind of clothing they showed up each time..

Cool. Yes these "wanna-be-Nazis" fucked things up there.
After Elten, DJ Mad had a new regulary location in Emmerich for a short time but it didn't catched up to the old venue.

Uitspraak van Destino op donderdag 9 augustus 2012 om 13:10:

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After Elten, DJ Mad had a new regulary location in Emmerich for a short time but it didn't catched up to the old venue.

That's right, The Pyramide. I payed it one or two visits, but it was far to big and trendy. The only time it was packed with people, was during some Speedrazor vs ..?.. event.

Uitspraak van nano.strike op donderdag 9 augustus 2012 om 13:22:

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That's right, The Pyramide. I payed it one or two visits, but it was far to big and trendy. The only time it was packed with people, was during some Speedrazor vs ..?.. event.

Yes the Speedrazor vs. Thunderscream CD Release Party. Was there too. After that it was quiet for some years with Hardcore in our area. I guess Q-Base was the next big thing here. And in 2006 the Army of Hardcore events at the "World Center" in Kleve.

Uitspraak van Epistaxis op donderdag 9 augustus 2012 om 13:04:

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Ranger-Legion?

Ah, I get it.

Uitspraak van Destino op donderdag 9 augustus 2012 om 13:28:

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After that it was quiet for some years with Hardcore in our area.

There was this one-shot party in Wesel, but it turned out real bad. As you can see, the line up was very expensive and the venue could hold like 800 people (as far as i can remember). Only about 50 visitors showed up. Very painfull to watch and i felt terrible for the organisation.

https://partyflock.nl/party/31264:Krank_Im_Kopf

> Sorry for trashing the topic btw, i will hold back from now on..

Uitspraak van nano.strike op donderdag 9 augustus 2012 om 13:46:

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There was this one-shot party in Wesel, but it turned out real bad. As you can see, the line up was very expensive and the venue could hold like 800 people (as far as i can remember). Only about 50 visitors showed up. Very painfull to watch and i felt terrible for the organisation.

You're right! Totally forgot about Wesel. I even was one of the 50 visitors. I remember dancing nearly alone to Ophidian's set. ^^
There also were many events 2000-2005 at the Empire in Wesel. Hardcore Revolution, Hellraiser...

nah, we're still quite on-topic.

Uitspraak van Destino op donderdag 9 augustus 2012 om 13:53:

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nah, we're still quite on-topic.

haha, you're right, the topic title doesn't say it's only about sharing music facts, so let's go..

I've never been to the Empire, did you? At that time i slowely walked away from being a "full-time" gabber as well, so i stopped following the new developments in the party-scene.

Uitspraak van nano.strike op donderdag 9 augustus 2012 om 14:06:

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I've never been to the Empire, did you? At that time i slowely walked away from being a "full-time" gabber as well, so i stopped following the new developments in the party-scene.

Yes I have been there many times. I even played there once in 2008. Nice venue but somehow the events got crowded lesser throughout the years so they stopped organizing partys there.

At the moment there is nothing going on here besides acts like Korsakoff or Angerfist playing once in a while at E-Dry in Geldern, well and Q-Base every year.

I see. However, in Oberhausen there are still events being organized. I guess that city won't be to far away from your place.

That's true. But I don't hear this kind of stuff what's being played there. Ik luister voraal naar moeilijke musik.

Haha, good shot, but you missed the bulls' eye! My turn now: "Ich höre nur schwierige musik an". Ist das richtig oder falsch?

Uitspraak van nano.strike op vrijdag 10 augustus 2012 om 02:00:

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Haha, good shot, but you missed the bulls' eye! My turn now: "Ich höre nur schwierige musik an". Ist das richtig oder falsch?

Kommt auf die persönliche Interpretation an.

Uitspraak van Destino op maandag 6 augustus 2012 om 11:54:

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The Devil's Brood

This is/was Moleculez's label right? Some reall nice releases on there!

Uitspraak van Tumult op donderdag 9 augustus 2012 om 08:12:

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Ja bizar hé, dat label was een aantal jaren geleden echt wel populair. Met I:Gor, Detest, Raw State, Max Death.

Denk dat dat juist het probleem was, het werd het zoveelste 13 in 1 dozijn nieuwe UK-8ige Hardcore labeltje, met te veel (dramatisch kutte) releases in een te korte tijd.
Terwijl het daarvoor een no nonsense Terror label was, met gewoon lomp niet op de dansvloer gericht spul, met af en toe een release.

[edit] Cool topic trouwens inderdaad!

Uitspraak van verwijderd op dinsdag 14 augustus 2012 om 17:43:

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This is/was Moleculez's label right? Some reall nice releases on there!

Yes, definitely.

Scum records had je ook nog, opgericht door stormtrooper en cipher.

Ooit nog eens een live cd van cipher@hell or heaven gekocht, lang niet gedraaid, maar herinner me dat ie knetterhard is.

was Mescalinum United - We Have Arrived nou de eerste hardcore achtige plaat die er was ?????????

Uitspraak van <DEREK> op woensdag 15 augustus 2012 om 03:41:

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was Mescalinum United - We Have Arrived nou de eerste hardcore achtige plaat die er was ?????????

in principe wel

Tegenwoordig heb je o.a dj sacrifice die is ook keigaaf,de scene daar is aan een een her opleving begonnen in duitsland

https://www.facebook.com/sacrifice82

Duitse hardcore is dood. ^^

Warum?

Uitspraak van Epistaxis op zondag 5 augustus 2012 om 09:25:

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Op grote feesten als Mayday werd hardcore geboycot na de "Judgement Day"-editie in 1993

Feitelijk klopt dit niet. PCP had een probleem met Mayday organisatie omdat ze minder lang mochten optreden dan was afgesproken. En pas na 94 ging hardcore er uit. Zo was in mei 1994 Paul er nog.

Uitspraak van Tumult op maandag 16 maart 2020 om 09:16:

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Warum?

Festival bullshit rules everything now. The mainstream took total control. There is no real german scene anymore like in the 90s or the millennium era. As good as no independent labels. Most of the well known acts release their stuff on foreign ones. For me it's dead...

There still are a lot of events and DJs but all like Angerfist, N-Vitral, Uptempo, you name it...

Er is toch een redelijke terror scene?

Uitspraak van Love is the answer op dinsdag 17 maart 2020 om 12:48:

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Er is toch een redelijke terror scene?

Not really. Small parties for 100 people in Berlin and Hamburg. And Fuck Parade once a year. That's it.