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Poll, geopend op dinsdag 9 september 2008, looptijd van 3360.8 dag.
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Northern Ireland

5075%
Irish
1725%
English
Uitspraak van Dick Fitzwell op dinsdag 9 september 2008 om 21:02:
Je hebt gestemd, jouw keuze was: "­Irish"­
Irish...­ no doubt!
irish tbh
Even American's understand it's Irish.­ And we don't know shit outside of our own country for the most part!
fenian bastards :D
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yes it definately should have been irish,
but it's too late for that.
Let's just be happy it's peaceful in n-i.
It is the way it is, it's kind of akward and unfortunate,
but we can't go back to the 1900's, now can we?
There are protestants and catholics in n-i,
deal with it.
In theory it would be possible to add it to the rest of ireland,
but kicking all protestants out, definately impossible.
though the dubliners do kick ass
Uitspraak van sietse op zondag 4 januari 2009 om 06:08:
but we can't go back to the 1900's, now can we

right is right, wrong is wrong
Uitspraak van sietse op zondag 4 januari 2009 om 06:08:
but kicking all protestants out, definately impossible.­

glory oooh glory oooh to the bold fenianmen
i've found it ;)

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:Jaja:
Oe ah....­
:jaja:
So Go on home British Soldiers Go on home
Have you got no fucking homes of your own
For 800 years we've fought you without fear
And we will fight you for 800 more
If the Troubles were a football game, I think we all know who won.

SCORE:
England: 377
IRA: 1057

It's a dandy thing the Brits still have the North though, otherwise they wouldn't have had any room to bury all their dead soldiers. :)
why nobody in the world force the brits to leave ireland?
Uitspraak van Ramirez Blanco op donderdag 22 januari 2009 om 10:42:
why nobody in the world force the brits to leave ireland?

Because those countries with the most power, always do the least. No one had the gusto to step up and stop what was wrong. Just look at the Gaza conflict. Same sad song.
yeah and the best alliance from israel are the us.­ they never accept if egypt or iran get involved in this conflict i guesse.­
Uitspraak van AmericanGabber op vrijdag 23 januari 2009 om 10:08:
Heres a good series of videos where Gerry Adams (Whome during the filming of these videos still stood for what was right) wipes the floor with loyalist nay-sayers in an interview.­

:respect: i will watch them at home. i´m now at the office :lol:

up da RA
Me 2 :):)
Uitspraak van AmericanGabber op donderdag 22 januari 2009 om 10:49:
Because those countries with the most power, always do the least.­ No one had the gusto to step up and stop what was wrong.­ Just look at the Gaza conflict.­ Same sad song.­

I partially agree.

However, even though I'm pro-British (I just love Britain and its people and I have my doubts about the repressive nature of Catholic culture in Ireland) I must say that comparing Ulster to Gaza is a slap in the face of the IRA.

They had some decency in them, Hamas does'nt even know the word for decency in their own Arab language.

Whereas for example school children victims of IRA bombings were collateral damage, they are nothing less but the sole purpose of Hamas. Bombing school buses in Israel, building their headquarters under a hospital, and hiding weapons in tunnels beneath schools in Gaza. :loser:
Uitspraak van Zombie Apostle...! op donderdag 29 januari 2009 om 01:08:
However, even though I'm pro-British (I just love Britain and its people and I have my doubts about the repressive nature of Catholic culture in Ireland)

Friend, the protestants have been "opressing" the Catholics since the first planter colonies appeared on Irish soil. And school children being killed in IRA bombings were an extremely rare occurance, whereas for the UVF and other such LOYALIST/PRO-BRITISH groups it was the order of the day. Especially for example the Shankill Butchers. They often killed even protestants because they mistook them for Catholic workers.

And what Israel is doing to Palestine is simply illegal. You want to know why no-one is stepping in to stop Israel? Because nobody has the balls to do it. It's sort of like the simple law stating, an object in motion tends to stay in motion. Same goes for criminal super-powers like England and Israel. Even my country under the Bush administration was commiting crimes against humanity in places like Iraq! However I am a big hypocrite, because I do support our troops.
Uitspraak van AmericanGabber op donderdag 29 januari 2009 om 02:03:
troops

young guys trying to do their best while being lied to by policy-makers

same shite all over the world, Brits, Yankees, Israeli's, Dutch....

free Palestine
free Eire
free Iraq
free Afganistan
Uitspraak van AmericanGabber op donderdag 29 januari 2009 om 02:03:
Friend, the protestants have been "­opressing"­ the Catholics since the first planter colonies appeared on Irish soil.­

I'm not talking about protestants vs catholics, I am talking about a secular state (The UK) vs. a more religiously influenced state (Ireland).

I am a Roman Catholic myself, at least I was born this way, and I actually like Catholicism more than Protestantism (or should I say hate less, because I don;t like religion at all).

The problem however is, that England has a longer secular history and bigger acceptance of infidels than Ireland does. And I, being an infidel, draw my conclusions from that.
Hail Hail!
One Irland :cheer:
One Korea
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Uitspraak van Zombie Apostle...! op donderdag 29 januari 2009 om 02:28:
The problem however is, that England has a longer secular history and bigger acceptance of infidels than Ireland does.­ And I, being an infidel, draw my conclusions from that.­

pfff it isn´t an issue at all. the brits occupied ulster for 800 years and have to leave the area. ulster is irish and should be given back to the irish. it can´t be the UK will fight in iraq and afganistan to show the world what kind a big force they are and still have troops on irish soil in fucking europe
Uitspraak van AmericanGabber op donderdag 29 januari 2009 om 02:03:
Friend, the protestants have been "­opressing"­ the Catholics since the first planter colonies appeared on Irish soil.­ And school children being killed in IRA bombings were an extremely rare occurance, whereas for the UVF and other such LOYALIST/PRO-BRITISH groups it was the order of the day

amen. brits out of ulster
Uitspraak van sietse op zondag 4 januari 2009 om 06:08:
yes it definately should have been irish,
but it's too late for that.­
Let's just be happy it's peaceful in n-i.­
It is the way it is, it's kind of akward and unfortunate,
but we can't go back to the 1900's, now can we?
There are protestants and catholics in n-i,
deal with it.­
In theory it would be possible to add it to the rest of ireland,
but kicking all protestants out, definately impossible.­

northern ireland is ireland , it will never be england , they can do as much as they like to try and make it in to england but it will always be ireland ,
tiocadh ar la ( our day will come ) 32 counties = 1 country
up the rebels ,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YYLbj03nMg

I drove my saracen through your garden last night
Sing up the RA
I kicked your front door down around at midnight
Sing up the RA
Oh somthing's telling me boy you're avoiding me
And when I find you, you will go for your tea

Oh I've got a brand new shiny helmet and a pair of kinky boots
I've got a lovely new flak jacket and a lovely khaki suit
And when we go on night patrol we hold each others hands
We are the British army and we're here to take your land

My good friend Bertie he's in the UDR
Who-ar, Who-ar
Searching for weapons he will go near and far
Who-ar, Who-ar
Up around by Cappagh you'd never find him there
Oh the only gun he'd get there is an armalite in his ear

Oh I've got a brand new shiny helmet and a pair of kinky boots
I've got a lovely new flak jacket and a lovely khaki suit
And when we go on night patrol we hold each others hands
We are the British army and we're here to take your land

My good friend Trevor he's in the RUC
I see, I see
but now they've handed him his redundancy
I see, I see
The folks along the border won't be seeing him any more
That Provo sniper will be missing him for sure

Oh I've got a brand new shiny helmet and a pair of kinky boots
I've got a lovely new flak jacket and a lovely khaki suit
And when we go on night patrol we hold each others hands
We are the British army and we're here to take your land

My good friend Nigel he's in the SAS
Oh yes, Oh yes
He said a change is just as good as arrest
Oh yes, Oh yes
But now they've gone and posted him way down to Crossmaglen
He wishes to blazes he was back in jail again

Oh I've got a brand new shiny helmet and a pair of kinky boots
I've got a lovely new flak jacket and a lovely khaki suit
And when we go on night patrol we hold each others hands
We are the British army and we're here to take your land

My good friend Sammy he's in the DUP
I see, I see
An outstanding member as all the world can see
I see, I see
I can go up to to Donegal if you want to have some fun
He said I'll take a run there if I have nothing on

Oh I've got a brand new shiny helmet and a pair of kinky boots
I've got a lovely new flak jacket and a lovely khaki suit
And when we go on night patrol we hold each others hands
We are the British army and we're here to take your land
Saturday, 31 January 2009

A 300lb car bomb has been found in County Down five days after a telephoned warning claimed a device had been left in Castlewellan village.­

Security forces discovered an abandoned car on Dublin Road on Saturday.­ Several controlled explosions were carried out on what police called "­suspect items".­

It is thought the bomb was planted by dissident republicans who were trying to target the Ballykinler army base.­

Supt Greg Blain said it was a "­large explosive device".­

He added that its detonation would have caused "­substantial damage and loss of life".­

Supt Blain said someone claiming to be a member of a dissident republican organisation had called a local newspaper to warn about the bomb.­ We are not going back to the past - even if they are locked in it

Margaret Ritchie MLA

They...­ abandoned it in an area close to local houses and schools, and then phoned through vague warnings about the locality and nature of the threat,"­ he said.­

They placed the lives of every man, woman and child in the area at risk."­

South Down Stormont Assembly member Margaret Ritchie said those behind the bomb deserved nothing but contempt from the community.­

For five days people in the area have been worried and suffered massive inconvenience, having to take long detours to get to work or bring children to school.­

Those who planted it should be in absolutely no doubt - we are not going back to the past, even if they are locked in it."­
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Also: Roasting marshmellows over a burning landrover is really easy, if anyone is curious. :D
"THE DISSIDENT IRAs have achieved a significant success. They have proved their capacity to murder members of the security forces, so far with impunity. In doing so they have established their credentials as a paramilitary force, which may prove an enticement to (other?) disillusioned former members of the Provisional IRA. They have confronted the brittle assertion of Gerry Adams and Co that the peace process represents an important advance towards the achievement of a sovereign, independent united Ireland. And they have challenged the moral pretension of this society to be against killing.


The killing of two soldiers in Antrim on Saturday night by the Real IRA was a considerable undertaking, in paramilitary terms. This was no casual or impulsive skite on the part of a few psychopaths. It involved surveillance of the military base for some time; the identification of a soft target and a soft opportunity; the acquisition of weapons and their concealment; the journey to the army base; the execution of the murders and then the escape.


Then the murder of a police officer in Craigavon two nights later showed a confidence and a considerable operational capacity from another dissident IRA element, the Continuity IRA. Again careful planning, cool and brutal execution and escape. Perhaps the Real IRA is not the rag-bag outfit portrayed by Gerry Adams, Martin McGuinness and the media.


More ominously, perhaps, these dissident IRAs have acquired new recruits of late, disillusioned former members Provos, who have the experience, the guile, the technical capacity and the ruthlessness to conduct a long-term paramilitary campaign, as the Provos did for 25 years. That would not be surprising for many former Provos must wonder what it was that they risked their own lives for over decades, since the leadership has settled for a deal that looks eerily like the old Stormont, albeit with some cosmetic alterations. The British retain ultimate sovereign control over Northern Ireland and remnants of the British army remain on Irish soil. There is no united Ireland.
The Provos are in office okay but to what effect?

And as for the Belfast Agreement? What was that other than a capitulation to unionism? An acceptance by the vast majority of Irish “nationalists” that the constitutional status of Northern Ireland would not change unless a majority of the people of Northern Ireland authorise a change by referendum.
How is that any different in any essential way to what the constitutional position was previously?

The claims by Gerry Adams and Martin McGuinness that there is now a democratic way for republicans to achieve a united Ireland – the inference that there was no such democratic way previously – is bogus. Bogus at least in the sense that there is only precisely the same democratic way as there had been for 60 years: to persuade a majority of people in Northern Ireland to opt for unity.


Incidentally, it is not my contention that the Belfast Agreement changed nothing. It did, but not constitutionally. It gave respect and status to the minority that were previously denied and thereby sucked a poison from the system, a poison that was the impetus to violence, much more of an impetus than any denial of Irish unity.


As for the condemnations of the killings, aside altogether from the pointlessness of them, there is the hypocrisy.


Isn’t there something odious in the spectacle of the likes of Gordon Brown condemning the killings in Northern Ireland or any killings, given that he joined with Tony Blair and George Bush in the illegal and murderous assault on the people of Iraq in March 2003? And, come to think of it, Brian Cowen, Dermot Ahern et al had no difficulty in defending the use of Shannon to facilitate the killings in Iraq.


And how about the Euro fans, who to a Euro fan condemn the three killings but yet find no difficulty with incorporating, via the Liston Treaty, into the constitutional structure of the EU (thereby giving it a status and a permanence it now doesn’t have), an agency whose business is killing: the European Defence Agency (EDA). The EDA strives to bring coherence to the European armaments industry, to help them devise even more efficient and effective means of killing. And the same agency has tried to envisage the kinds of war Europeans will be engaged in over the coming decades and the kinds of weapons that might be best for killing in those wars.


But that’s different, of course.


These dissident IRAs think they have licence to kill because of a theological belief that there is a moral entitlement of a people to nationhood, where such people feel part of one nation. They believe they have a right to assert this right by killing, if necessary, and this right of assertion is independent of any democratic sanction even from those on whose behalf they are asserting the right. This is a nonsense that has infected the minds of people here and around the world for millennia and is confused with an entitlement to respect and equality.
But then there is a lot more nonsense that infects minds and that justifies other and even more pervasive killings"
Uitspraak van Dick Fitzwell op dinsdag 9 september 2008 om 21:02:
Je hebt gestemd, jouw keuze was: "­English"­