Gezocht: Het Grote ID&T en Hardcore verzamelaars Topic

Ik probeer via deze weg verzamelaars op het gebied van Thunderdome en Verdere hardcore gerelateerde verzamel items onder / tot elkander te brengen.
Vaak zijn er discussies over verzamel objecten in een topic van mensen die wat zoeken of verkopen. Kan me voorstellen dat het soms hinderlijk is, of dat iemand het vervelend vind.
Oa, gaat het vaak over een Vinyl, een Thunderdome cd, Posters en Flyers.
Een cd die wel of niet bestaat. Bijv. Thunderdome 13 the megamix.

Misschien kan ik via deze weg, met eventuele medewerking van PartyFlock een topic creëren waar lekker over deze dingen gesproken kan worden.
Als Bijvoorbeeld:


Ik weet dat er veel verzamelaars zijn op het gebied van Hardcore.
Maar er is nog geen gezamelijke topic. Waar het 1 en ander ongestoord besproken kan worden. En je mening kan uiten.
De 1 vind het kinderachtig. Voor de ander een passie.
De een heeft eindelijk die Laatste of zeldzame flyer gevonden de andere een vinyl die hij/zij al jaren zoekt.
Misschien dat dit niet werkt?
Kan ik altijd zeggen: Niet geschoten is altijd mis.
Ik doe dit dan ook, om eventueel andere topics te ontlasten, En omdat ik heb rondgevraagd en heb begrepen dat er wel animo voor is.
Iedereen is welkom, en zeg ik kom maar op met jullie dingen.

For International collectors:

I creat this topic for collectors to debate about all kind of items Hardcore related you can collect.
Such as: cds, Vinyls, fyers, posters Etc Etc.
And to get collectors insite en outside of holland togetter in one big topic. "Sofar they don't know each other already"
To trade, buy or sell items you have in double.
And because some conversations are continue in topics of persons who like to buy or sell their items on PartyFlock, and dont like the conversations in their topic.
So when you got anything you like to share with another collector,
please enjoy this topic.
And perhaps it wil be a success.

Maybe it dont work out, then the only i can say "i have try to make something like this possible, also when it dont work out".

Übersetzung Deutsche Sprache, senden privat Bericht nach mir.
traduire au milie de français, envoyer je un privé faire-part.
traducir dentro de portugués/español origen yo no de . "blague"


HARDCORE WILL NEVER DIE THUNDERDOME

Hahahah,this also stands in the Advertisementisement on ebay where gabber4hardcore is talking about: If someone wants to have all three on rarity, then I make a TOP price of 499 € for all! ~ Who knows about, knows that this is a real bargain!


Thunderdome 98 box is onderweg

Uitspraak van Gabberfreak82 aka Flyerjunky op dinsdag 11 mei 2010 om 21:27:

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where´s the fifference for beeing from the first generation ? just the age ? LOL *sorry*

is not age the difference between generations?

Uitspraak van actief op dinsdag 11 mei 2010 om 00:11:

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Thunderdome America has a hole in the barcode due to being out of print. American way. I said this before. I am curious however of how many actually sold back in 1998

rhe biggest joke of them al about this cd, is that a belgium guy tries to sell this cd for more than 499 euro.
I've send him an email if it was still for sale, than i got the answer yes, but that i had to pay more than 499 because he got that bid over discogs.

I answered him that's i didn't believe him and that he only wanted to get some money for that cd without nowing anything of it. This cd isn't rare at all.
So 499 is a very stupid price!!!

About the person who is selling the sleevs on ebay!! She isn't a bad person!! I know her..

http://cgi.ebay.nl/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280500941580&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

Zijn dit die posters uit die thundermagazine's??

nee volgens mij zijn dat grotere versies, tenminste dat mag ik hopen voor die prijs

Uitspraak van verwijderd op maandag 10 mei 2010 om 22:46:

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Dubbele flyers... Iemand zin om te ruilen?

https://partyflock.nl/album/317950/6896803

check pb

Good morning Boyz And Girlz

Uitspraak van actief op dinsdag 11 mei 2010 om 00:11:

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Hum you were too young to be from that first generation, sorry. You had to be 35-40 by now
Duncan, Irfan, and guys I know from PF from back then are that age.

Uitspraak van actief op dinsdag 11 mei 2010 om 21:16:

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All I am saying is that being 9 years old is very different from being 20 or 25 years old. Those were the first generation.

I do not agree on this Joao, sorry. Its not up to you to attach who is or isn't.
This have nothing to do with someone his age. I write it down if you like. No problem.
I never write this down before because I don't like to boast about myself.
But for this time I make a exception and I try to explain how I grow up in the hardcore scene.
In the year 1992 I was 12 years old. (I admit I was young.) I remember the year 1992 verry good because that was the year I switch from junior school (nieuwegein),
to high school in Utrecht. The name of the street where my school was call Europalaan.
That street ends at the backside of the Jaarbeurs.

I was born Nieuwegein and till the age of 23 . (Nieuwegein is a city next to Utrecht.)
One of the sons of my neighbors back than was Jeroen De Kruyf aka Geronimo.
Maybe you know his name, if not: This is his label.
http://www.discogs.com/label/Dorpzicht+Hardrecoredings.
The street where our home was call “ten baanstraat” this street is 1 street next to “Hildo Kropstraat”.
There was the office from Dorpzicht records. Patty Boom Music B.V. Dorpzicht records, Digitall overkill, Napalm Records Etc. 3 minutes walking from my home, Till 1998 then they move to Utrecht also. His younger brother was sitting on the same junior school as I was also in the same classroom.
He play at my house, I play at his house and while we where at his house his brother was always was busy with his turntables you get what I Mean? I was young but in the middle of it.

Same Shit I can tell you about Twist & Shout recordstore in Utrecht.
In the same year my oldest cousin was working at a free recordstore in Nieuwegein.
Later in the 90s he became the manager of that store.
In the years 1992 / 1998 he was also (working) for a small club / disco, Crazy Kangaroo in ijselstein.
The owner of that club always buy his new cds at the store of my cousin.
But free recordstore don’t sell vinyl.
So ones a week my cousin goes to Twist & Shout and Midtown to buy records for the owner of that club because my cousin was knowing what was hot or not. When we go to Twist & Shout we always stay there to play records and things like that. The owner of the recordstore was also one of the owners of DOM Records http://www.discogs.com/label/Dom+Records .
So it was quite normal we talk to Dj’s, promoters & organisation working for ID&T, Rige, Dance2eden etc. We get free tickets, merchandise etc. So finaly @ the age of 14 I go to my first big rave Thunderdome 1993 Jaarbeurs Utrecht.

In the year 1991 I buy my first cd, Turn up the bass 12, I was 11 years old.
I also remember my 2nd cd was Arcade Technotrance 2.
Why was that my fist cd I buy because back then I wasn’t have a cd player.
Now every house have 3 or more, back then only you parents have one
because they where new on the market. Before 1991 I was only having a tape recorder.
So my cousin always record tapes for me. Damm I lost them in the past.
My first Thunderdome cd I buy was Thunderdome III. First cd I but at Twist & Shout was Megarave 1993. Still one of my favorites.

I Know its alot of text but I hope now you see, you can't say someone was or isn't first generation when you don't know someones background story. And I don't like to discuse public who our contacts are.
Who cares who I know and don't know? Is it making me better that a Other?
I don't think so. The only thing I can say. Things I publisch in this topic I check 3 or 4 times at diffrent persons I know, or I ask Sietse and he call them on the phone for me whn I ask. Believe me, He Realy know alot of people
Not because I don't want to tell, but maybe the persons we know don't like it when we tell.
Of course I like to tell yesterday I have dinner @ the house of Noize Suppressor again with Unexist, Digital Boy, Mouth of madness. That Sietse and I watch how 3 Italian Djs cook our dinner. Great Italian Pasta by the way.
After that Bike explain to me how his own create instument "The Sonar" works.
And I play on it for more that a hour while they worked out new records.

Amen

arrived today at my home (Ruffneck - Divine Intervention, LIMITED EDITION only 2000 Copies 2x vinyl + CD)

Uitspraak van verwijderd op woensdag 12 mei 2010 om 13:57:

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arrived today at my home (Ruffneck - Divine Intervention, LIMITED EDITION only 2000 Copies 2x vinyl + CD)

I saw it couple Months ago When Ruffneck was at the studio.
I realy love the design

Uitspraak van ThunderdomeUtreg op woensdag 12 mei 2010 om 14:11:

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I realy love the design

Yeah! Like always from Ruffneck... Nice enzyme logo with the cross

Uitspraak van verwijderd op woensdag 12 mei 2010 om 13:57:

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arrived today at my home (Ruffneck - Divine Intervention, LIMITED EDITION only 2000 Copies 2x vinyl + CD)

2000 is not very limited, but the design kicks ass.

Olav, nice story, always nice to read. Then it means since I started listening to Gabber/Happy Hardcore and Rave in 1994 I am 1st gen too? I heard goa trance and eurotrance and house like housepartys since 1991-2. The first Thunderdome I heard was Thunderdome 1 and 2 in cassette. But I could only buy one for myself later. Curious how all of us have a similar background. The difference is that you could go to Thunderdome, I could not, since I lived thousands of Km away.
It's impressive how lucky people were in NL, they could talk to the artists if they wanted. Here everything was very distant, almost myth in some cases!
But somehow I knew people that were 25 here in Portugal and listened to Thunderdome since 1993, for me they were always the first gen, you get what I mean? Because you and me Olav, were younger that them.

Uitspraak van actief op woensdag 12 mei 2010 om 15:29:

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2000 is not very limited, but the design kicks ass.

Thats what the cover says...

Uitspraak van verwijderd op dinsdag 11 mei 2010 om 22:00:

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I answered him that's i didn't believe him and that he only wanted to get some money for that cd without nowing anything of it. This cd isn't rare at all.
So 499 is a very stupid price!!!

there a more persons on marktplaats etc. they mean to make much money with some cd''s with hollywood prices!!

Uitspraak van verwijderd op woensdag 12 mei 2010 om 13:57:

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arrived today at my home (Ruffneck - Divine Intervention, LIMITED EDITION only 2000 Copies 2x vinyl + CD)

great vinyl maybe one of the bests of 2010 also the artwork rules

Uitspraak van NOOB SAIBOT (Gucciwearing MTF) op dinsdag 11 mei 2010 om 23:50:

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http://cgi.ebay.nl/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280500941580&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

Zijn dit die posters uit die thundermagazine's??

grootte kans van wel ja kijk maar naar de vouwen in de poster

en dat voor die prijs

hehe hier nog zo eentje:

http://link.marktplaats.nl/346424272

15 euro + 2 euro verzendkosten voor the box presents Hardcore & More 1cd!! die zal ie snel kwijt zijn haha


mooie trui:
http://link.marktplaats.nl/346358564

vroeger in het wit gehad

Uitspraak van verwijderd op woensdag 12 mei 2010 om 17:13:

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grootte kans van wel ja kijk maar naar de vouwen in de poster

en dat voor die prijs

de linkse en rechtse wel uit magezines middelste heeft nooit in de magazine gezeten
met de prijs is erg hoog

Uitspraak van ThunderdomeUtreg op woensdag 12 mei 2010 om 11:48:

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I Know its alot of text but I hope now you see, you can't say someone was or isn't first generation when you don't know someones background story.

Dit gaat nu over de eerste generatie hardcoreliefhebbers? Zelf vraag ik me wel af of ik bij die eerste generatie hoor namelijk (ben zelf 29, dus heb toen alleen datgene meegemaakt wat er op de lagere school en brugklas gebeurde). Maar ik luister housemuziek sinds de jaren '80 (dus hardcore ook al sinds de eerste harde houseplaten), maar beschouw mezelf nog steeds als de 3e generatie houseliefhebbers.

Uitspraak van verwijderd op woensdag 12 mei 2010 om 17:11:

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great vinyl maybe one of the bests of 2010

Ik vind dit echt een vreselijk slechte release. Het gaat compleet nergens over. Ik dacht dat Patrick altijd vooruitstrevend en creatief was? Dat hoor ik helaas niet terug op deze plaat. Oke ik vind de hardcore van tegenwoordig ook geen zak meer aan, maar dat komt wellicht ook doordat ze sinds 1997 al dat akelige scheurgeluid gebruiken en het alleen door die jaren wat opgepimpt is en voor de rest steeds hetzelfde gebleven is.

Uitspraak van NOOB SAIBOT (Gucciwearing MTF) op dinsdag 11 mei 2010 om 23:50:

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http://cgi.ebay.nl/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280500941580&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

Zijn dit die posters uit die thundermagazine's??

Die middelste heb ik ook en die kreeg ik destijds bij de cd (op was op toen). Wel erg jammer dat die van mij beschadigt is (ik zit er aan te denken om hem in te lijsten, maar hij is niet meer echt netjes).

Uitspraak van verwijderd op woensdag 12 mei 2010 om 18:16:

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http://cgi.ebay.nl/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280500941580&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

86,50 € voor 3 stukken papier... haha! Gekken zijn et!

Uitspraak van verwijderd op woensdag 12 mei 2010 om 17:35:

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mooie trui:
http://link.marktplaats.nl/346358564

Ben een tijdje niet meer zo "actief" op het internet.
Komt er nog een meeting met een stel Thunderdome Freaks?

Uitspraak van actief op woensdag 12 mei 2010 om 15:29:

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Olav, nice story, always nice to read.

Thanks

Uitspraak van actief op woensdag 12 mei 2010 om 15:29:

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Then it means since I started listening to Gabber/Happy Hardcore and Rave in 1994 I am 1st gen too?

Call it how you like it.
I talk about the definition of the name "Gabber"
Do you see beeing a Gabber as a lifestyle?
I talk about the arise of the Sub-Culture gabbers 1990 / 1991.
I assume you know what a Sub-Culture means if not wikipedia.
Official, Gabber is a official Sub-Culture sins then.
When you like to be a part of a Sub-Culture you have to conform to a profile.
In that profiel nobody talk about the age you need to have beeing part of the sub-culture, Its the law someone have to be minimum age to go to a rave.
So you always can be part of this sub-culture under the age of 16.
Thats Why we in Holland talk about someone lost his or her virginity when they go to there first real big rave when the reach the age to go to a rave.
When you talk about 1st generation in a Culture, you talk about the people that helped create that profile. Not only on the outside what you can see like Nike, Aus, Bold head, but also at the inside the feeling you are diffrent then the normal culture you live in. You feel happy about the atmosfeer inside the sub-culture so you decide to be a part of this Sub-Culture and like to follow the lifestyle.
Some examples: Don't care about how a other person looks like, Goeing to a rave and beeing one with the other people with the same ideas about life.
But the main thing in your life is the love for the hardcore.
Maybe translate this page. http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gabbers
Most Gabbers see the first 3 to 5 years of the existing of this sub-culture as 1st generation. And I was part of that.

Uitspraak van ThunderdomeUtreg op woensdag 12 mei 2010 om 19:57:

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I talk about the arise of the Sub-Culture gabbers 1990 / 1991.
I assume you know what a Sub-Culture means if not wikipedia.
Official, Gabber is a official Sub-Culture sins then.

Gabber is zelf vanaf 1992 meende ik een subcultuur geworden (daarvoor was het wel al een beetje aanwezig, maar had het beestje nog geen naam). De term werd of in 1990 of in 1991 bedacht en niet eens door de DJ's die de hardere stijlen draaiden. Ik meende dat KC Da Funkaholic het was, die voor het eerst met de naam kwam aanzetten en als ik het goed heb is er een interview met Aad de Mooy, die het nog eens benadrukte. Maar dat moet ik wellicht eens opzoeken als ik het nog vinden kan.

Overigens noem ik mijzelf geen gabber meer, omdat ik vind dat het niet meer bestaat (en wellicht omdat ik volwassen ben geworden), maar dat terzijde.

Uitspraak van verwijderd op woensdag 12 mei 2010 om 21:11:

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Overigens noem ik mijzelf geen gabber meer, omdat ik vind dat het niet meer bestaat (en wellicht omdat ik volwassen ben geworden), maar dat terzijde.

Hier ga ik wel mee akkoord. Ik draag nog wel dagelijks de kleren ( hardcore merchandise etc... ) en dagelijks luister ik nog naar hardcore, maar nu ook meer en meer naar andere stijlen... Ik zie mezelf nu als een groot hardcore liefhebber en verzamelaar

Uitspraak van verwijderd op donderdag 13 mei 2010 om 00:15:

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Hier ga ik wel mee akkoord. Ik draag nog wel dagelijks de kleren ( hardcore merchandise etc... ) en dagelijks luister ik nog naar hardcore, maar nu ook meer en meer naar andere stijlen... Ik zie mezelf nu als een groot hardcore liefhebber en verzamelaar

bij mij ook maar meer duister om het zo te zeggen terror, industrial hc,darkore enz.
mainstream zet ik zelden op.
echt andere muzeiek stijlen luister ik toch niet zegt me ook niks.

I'm agree with you Joao
We live far from Holland, and therefore with 10 years old we could not go to parties in Holland...
I never liked to say what gen. that i am... becouse not all people have the same thinking..

But I knew the sound hardcore with 6 years of age,
a cousin of mine who has always had 15 years more than me, he listened to electronic music since before '92...
my cousin even attended many thunderdome, and that is the reason becouse i know the Hc in 1994, with the thunderdome cassette megamix 1-5,

the reason becouse i never liked to say if I am 1st gen too, is becouse here on spain the most probably is that i can say 'yes I am', but probally in abroad of Spain it was 'NO', for the age.
but anyway, everyone thinks on their way ...

Now i'm making hc sound (from 2008), and i still fighting to one day make a little history on the Hc scene here on Spain

So, Joao i'm curious in the sound that you make, i send you a message for talk about that

Uitspraak van ThunderdomeUtreg op woensdag 12 mei 2010 om 19:57:

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Some examples: Don't care about how a other person looks like, Goeing to a rave and beeing one with the other people with the same ideas about life.

For me Hardcore is the music (in ALL and I mean ALL subgenres from Digital Hardcore lefwing shit to Speedcore to Happy).
Gabber is... the people! the fans, the culture, the way of tought.
It's not going to an event and wearing aussies or nikes, or pretending to be bald and bad. It's the fight against the system. Does not matter how the person looks like, we all know what we feel when we listen to Hardcore. And those who like it for real, don't quite just because it sells less.
You know the first thing I tough when I arrived at my first large HC event in Holland? "I arrived home."

Uitspraak van Gabber4Hardcore op donderdag 13 mei 2010 om 02:18:

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thunderdome cassette megamix 1-5,

this megamix brought so many people to the gabber scene. "For all you newborn Hardcore fans, this is what you missed so far..."

Uitspraak van Gabber4Hardcore op donderdag 13 mei 2010 om 02:18:

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So, Joao i'm curious in the sound that you make, i send you a message for talk about that

already replied!

Uitspraak van Gabber4Hardcore op donderdag 13 mei 2010 om 02:18:

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I'm agree with you Joao

i don´t wonder about

Uitspraak van Gabber4Hardcore op donderdag 13 mei 2010 om 02:18:

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curious

is the only thing i think about.

when we people here meet each other or wrote together everybody is telling his/her story each other. and i really wonder why you (joao) never already told me you listen so long to gabber/hardcore. or you lil spain downunder also never told you listen as long also to the music ? are you always so shy
and when i´m not wrong sergio you already have a nice scene in spain maybe to much makina sound but also hardcore stuff

Bejnamin,
here we have nice scene on makina from Old days,
and this sound has evolved A LOT.

But the Hardcore scene here... smells like a shit,
here the people don't know a shit about the substyles, the generes or early dj's/times,
Yeah, here we have people who has listen hardcore music from old times, but so few people,
in old times here the most probably we would have about 500 people who listen this music, but only this aproximatelly number of people.
that is the reason becouse on the 3 thunderdome that where made on spain hardly attend Spanish people,
becouse when in Holland the people has knowing Hardcore from the years '91 or '92,
here, in the year 95 hardly anyone had heard the Hardcore music,
were very very very few people.

Nowdays, so much people are knowing this music.

Grtz

ID&T IDT Thunderdome Catalogus Boekje (http://link.marktplaats.nl/346655467)

Vraagprijs €20,00

prijs slaat toch nergens meer op

Die verkoper heeft wel vaker dat soort ding...
Maar zijn oordeel staat bekend als erg hard

Iemand die weet wat de waarde is van thunderdome the winter experience?

So gabber4hardcore, I read that you're from Spain. So why can't you hook me up with the Thunderdome III lp, witch was only released in Spain.
As you mentioned nobody in Spain listens to hardcore.
So you can make us dutch gabbafreaks happy.
You were born in the wrong country man, I'm sorry for you

Na het vele afspelen van thunderdome muziek zelf ok maar de spelers aangepast!

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ik zoek dit shirtje al een tijdje,
is er iemand die em dubbel heeft op wil verkopen,
ik heb er veel geld voor over,
shirt moet wel ik goede staat zijn,
dus als er iemand is graag even een pb

thja wanner ben je 1te generatie ????
house bestaat al sinds eind jaren 80 1988 eerste hardcore plaat mescalinum united we have arived pas gerealeased in 1991
ik zelf luister al van 88 naar dance house muziek en ben in februari 92 naar park geweest was toen 14 daarna in juni 92 naar the final exam en zo verder.....

ik vind het een cliche om nu te zeggen dat bv ik van de erste generatie ben
heb gewoon veel geluk gehad dat ik het heb mogen meemaken en de hele scene zien ontwikkelen .

over het verzamelen thja....
ieder verzamelt met gevoel van waarde heb ook veel rariteiten en misprints tot entry tickets toe en vip bandjes enz enz

maar 1 ding staat sowiezo vast
de prijzen zijn echt te gek voor woorden

Uitspraak van verwijderd op donderdag 13 mei 2010 om 19:24:

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So gabber4hardcore, I read that you're from Spain. So why can't you hook me up with the Thunderdome III lp, witch was only released in Spain.
As you mentioned nobody in Spain listens to hardcore.
So you can make us dutch gabbafreaks happy.
You were born in the wrong country man, I'm sorry for you

Eehehhe, even in Spain most people know it's value.

Uitspraak van verwijderd op donderdag 13 mei 2010 om 21:23:

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thja wanner ben je 1te generatie ????
house bestaat al sinds eind jaren 80 1988 eerste hardcore plaat mescalinum united we have arived pas gerealeased in 1991
ik zelf luister al van 88 naar dance house muziek en ben in februari 92 naar park geweest was toen 14 daarna in juni 92 naar the final exam en zo verder.....

We have arrived was released in 1990 and produced in the end of 1989. But I agree with you, for me that is the first generation, different from Olav's view.
I agree with you on the price, it's beyond words.

Uitspraak van verwijderd op donderdag 13 mei 2010 om 21:23:

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1988 eerste hardcore plaat mescalinum united we have arived

Uitspraak van actief op donderdag 13 mei 2010 om 22:24:

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produced in 1989

that´s right

Uitspraak van actief op donderdag 13 mei 2010 om 22:24:

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for me that is the first generation, different from Olav's view.

remember olav and me talk about the hardcore/gabber scene. not from the house/techno/electro scene at all that´s a small but important difference

Hey !!

first one thing, you can read more good my comments?
i'm not a professional writing other languages

I never told "Nobody in Spain listens Hardcore"
i have told "hardly anyone"(I wanted to mention "not much people"), probably i've wrote wrong the word in the last message

No need to give me condolences for birth in another country other than Holland, Belgium or Germany

peace

Uitspraak van L.C. op donderdag 13 mei 2010 om 19:23:

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Iemand die weet wat de waarde is van thunderdome the winter experience?

Ik zou daar sowieso niet meer dan 35 euro voor betalen als ik jou was.

Dan te bedenken dat ik die diverse keren voor een paar gulden heb kunnen kopen en het niet gedaan heb destijds (was rond 2001).

Uitspraak van verwijderd op vrijdag 14 mei 2010 om 00:45:

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Ik zou daar sowieso niet meer dan 35 euro voor betalen als ik jou was.

Dan te bedenken dat ik die diverse keren voor een paar gulden heb kunnen kopen en het niet gedaan heb destijds (was rond 2001).

Lol,ik zag hem al voor 100 euro staan ergens

En die 98 e-rick en tactic single dan?

Uitspraak van Gabber4Hardcore op donderdag 13 mei 2010 om 02:18:

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I'm agree with you Joao
We live far from Holland, and therefore with 10 years old we could not go to parties in Holland...
I never liked to say what gen. that i am... becouse not all people have the same thinking..

The Question was, From When do it Exist,
I do not say someone have to be older then 30 years to be a "Real one"
In my opinion the most importent thing we all share the same mentality.
As long we all share the same thoughts about respect and beeing one with the music, Hardcore will never die. because that is Hardcore. Thats the point why the Hardcore scene still exist after almost 20 years. Because we belief in it.
Its all about respect. It don't mather if your black or white or in which god you belief or what age you are. aslong you will be one with the music we will survive.

Let me put it this way, What is your answer on the next question (also for Joao) :
When someone have a other opinion as you, and you can't agree, no mather what you say.
what would you think?
My answer:
I have respect for the fact he have his own opinion and belief in it.
I say to that person: we both have our own opinion thats okey, its not wrong to have diffrent opinions. Why I think its okey? because its not my problem what your opinion is. But we are here to be one with the music because that spirit we do share, Respect! Can we now take a fucking beer.
In my opinion "Thats Hardcore"

Uitspraak van nickpikbierblik op donderdag 13 mei 2010 om 19:38:

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Na het vele afspelen van thunderdome muziek zelf ok maar de spelers aangepast

Netjes

Uitspraak van Gabberfreak82 aka Flyerjunky op donderdag 13 mei 2010 om 22:40:

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remember olav and me talk about the hardcore/gabber scene. not from the house/techno/electro scene at all that´s a small but important difference

For sure.

But tomorrow (for me) the festival season starts.
Fantacy Island

Uitspraak van L.C. op vrijdag 14 mei 2010 om 01:49:

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Lol,ik zag hem al voor 100 euro staan ergens

ik heb die van voor 85 euro gekocht in absolute nieuwstaat inclusief verzendkosten, en dat was dan afgelopen december.

Uitspraak van L.C. op vrijdag 14 mei 2010 om 01:49:

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En die 98 e-rick en tactic single dan?

ligt eraan welke, de discopress of die van Dureco? Allebei rond de 80 a 90 euro volgens mij, corrigeer me als ik me vergis.

Uitspraak van ThunderdomeUtreg op vrijdag 14 mei 2010 om 09:50:

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But tomorrow (for me) the festival season starts.

tomorrow small meeting with Bennie and hooligan party in MG!!!

As far back as I can remember, I never disrespectful to other people's opinion,
unless they disrespect me....

If you want to understand one thing that probably you don't know....
here on Spain the people when talk about the gabber gen. , this talks finish in bad discussions, becouse here they not have respect (and I have it checked a lot of times),
I don't like the bad discuss, and this is the reason becouse i've told "I never liked to say what gen. that i am".

But one thing that i've checked here in Pf, is that the people who can talk with you about that, have respect, and this is what I like, the respect for each.

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Uitspraak van ThunderdomeUtreg op vrijdag 14 mei 2010 om 09:50:

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In my opinion the most importent thing we all share the same mentality.

Uitspraak van ThunderdomeUtreg op vrijdag 14 mei 2010 om 09:50:

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Thats the point why the Hardcore scene still exist after almost 20 years. Because we belief in it.

20 years indeed!

Uitspraak van verwijderd op vrijdag 14 mei 2010 om 10:57:

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ligt eraan welke, de discopress of die van Dureco? Allebei rond de 80 a 90 euro volgens mij, corrigeer me als ik me vergis.

I remember when it was 400€ lol Seems the "belgium" edition helped that! ahhaha

Uitspraak van verwijderd op vrijdag 14 mei 2010 om 10:57:

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tomorrow small meeting with Bennie and hooligan party in MG!!!

we are them hardcore hooligans

A friend of mine found some thunderdome stuff at his house and he will give it to me for free so let's hope it's some nice stuff.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ca7lCeZ8YUY
That's really crazy...

That's Super !!

I saw more than once this video, I love him.

I know,it's fucking crazy
Kid's of 8 years with aussi and bald head