Gezocht: Het Grote ID&T en Hardcore verzamelaars Topic

Ik probeer via deze weg verzamelaars op het gebied van Thunderdome en Verdere hardcore gerelateerde verzamel items onder / tot elkander te brengen.
Vaak zijn er discussies over verzamel objecten in een topic van mensen die wat zoeken of verkopen. Kan me voorstellen dat het soms hinderlijk is, of dat iemand het vervelend vind.
Oa, gaat het vaak over een Vinyl, een Thunderdome cd, Posters en Flyers.
Een cd die wel of niet bestaat. Bijv. Thunderdome 13 the megamix.

Misschien kan ik via deze weg, met eventuele medewerking van PartyFlock een topic creëren waar lekker over deze dingen gesproken kan worden.
Als Bijvoorbeeld:


Ik weet dat er veel verzamelaars zijn op het gebied van Hardcore.
Maar er is nog geen gezamelijke topic. Waar het 1 en ander ongestoord besproken kan worden. En je mening kan uiten.
De 1 vind het kinderachtig. Voor de ander een passie.
De een heeft eindelijk die Laatste of zeldzame flyer gevonden de andere een vinyl die hij/zij al jaren zoekt.
Misschien dat dit niet werkt?
Kan ik altijd zeggen: Niet geschoten is altijd mis.
Ik doe dit dan ook, om eventueel andere topics te ontlasten, En omdat ik heb rondgevraagd en heb begrepen dat er wel animo voor is.
Iedereen is welkom, en zeg ik kom maar op met jullie dingen.

For International collectors:

I creat this topic for collectors to debate about all kind of items Hardcore related you can collect.
Such as: cds, Vinyls, fyers, posters Etc Etc.
And to get collectors insite en outside of holland togetter in one big topic. "Sofar they don't know each other already"
To trade, buy or sell items you have in double.
And because some conversations are continue in topics of persons who like to buy or sell their items on PartyFlock, and dont like the conversations in their topic.
So when you got anything you like to share with another collector,
please enjoy this topic.
And perhaps it wil be a success.

Maybe it dont work out, then the only i can say "i have try to make something like this possible, also when it dont work out".

Übersetzung Deutsche Sprache, senden privat Bericht nach mir.
traduire au milie de français, envoyer je un privé faire-part.
traducir dentro de portugués/español origen yo no de . "blague"


HARDCORE WILL NEVER DIE THUNDERDOME

*****

Curious,
Check this guy:







fake from russia


the same fake shit



Look at the 3 steps ahead logo...


What da' fuck?
copy of thunderdome with a 'cat'? xD



anyone know about this?
i think joao and olav know any thing.

Uitspraak van Gabber4Hardcore op zondag 18 april 2010 om 22:57:

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i think joao and olav know any thing.

Russian CDr with original russian tracks. There are links to rapidshare around the internet. Unnoficial use of artwork and totally unrelated to ID&T or Thunderdome. Just fun stuff..

The baby and death cover is funny tough!

This i know,

but i refer to other things about that people who make that cd's.

Yes, the cover with the baby is funny hahahha

Uitspraak van Gabber4Hardcore op maandag 19 april 2010 om 00:35:

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but i refer to other things about that people who make that cd's.

they have the contacts on the cds, russian hc fans and producers, homemade stuff.

Like me, i have a netlabel with any sub-labels.
But, this people make the cd's on real? or only mp3 files?

my netlabel is only by mp3 files (i want to be a real label with the pass of the time :lol
http://www.discogs.com/label/Satan+Inside+Recordings (we have 13 ep's, putting them slowly)
on this days only terror or speedcore/frenchcore

sublabel:
http://www.discogs.com/label/Total+Attrition
with oldschool trends

and a sublabel that still has to get the first ep, like hardcore-industrial, experimental sound

mooie jas binnen gekregen
Spik splinter nieuw

gelijk maar aan gedaan naar cape fear en In Qontrol
dus hij is niet helemaal meer Spik splinter nieuw

oftewel zonde

ik doe echt nooit kleding aan van td naar feesten

Uitspraak van Kapitein Zuipschuit op maandag 19 april 2010 om 13:14:

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oftewel zonde

ik doe echt nooit kleding aan van td naar feesten

Ieder zijn ding ik doe het wel
zelfde als me petjes , draag ik ook gewoon
ze zijn gemaakt om te dragen

als ik er de hoofdprijs voor zou betalen
zou ik er mischien wel anders over denken

veel spul heb ik destijds nog in de winkel gekocht
en is nog net zo mooi.

maar ieder zijn ding idd.

ik zoek nog oude hardcore petjes van feesten en platenlabels liefst uit de early tijd baby boom records Knor records Ruffneck etc alles is welkom pb me

Uitspraak van Gabber4Hardcore op zondag 18 april 2010 om 22:57:

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i think joao and olav know any thing.

I tell you what I know.

Uitspraak van actief op maandag 19 april 2010 om 00:05:

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Russian CDr with original russian tracks.
There are links to rapidshare around the internet.
Unnoficial use of artwork and totally unrelated to ID&T or Thunderdome.

1. Don't forget the hardcore scene in Rusia is reasonably large.
Nowone have ever dun any official research in the past, about how big the hardcore scene is @ Rusia.
There are no numbers in %, but the Hard techno scene is verry big @ Rusia.
I talk with diffrent people about it, that have occurred in Rusia.
(Mc Da Mouth Of Madness, Dj Paul, Neophyte, Drokz, Noise Supressor)
They are all real positive about the Rusian Hardcore scene.
Its getting bigger and bigger. Hundreds of thousands people go to Techno raves every weekend.
And Because the real Gabber / Hardcore came from Holland the use Hollands 2 most famous export products
from The Dutch hardcore scene to communicate to the Rusia People to let them know,
what kind of Hard Techno they play. Don't forget they abuse the name "Masters Of Hardcore" as much Thunderdome.
Besize Korea alphabet elements there are no other alphabet elements on the covers of cds & tapes
then the Western A B C alphabet as we all know.
For 100% sure when you find something about Thunderdome in the past with Rusian elements on it Its Fake.
1 little thing that i'm not 100% sure about is the fact some artist claim they give performances in Rusia in the name of Thunderdome / ID&T but nowone inside ID&T can or will confirm that to me.

Uitspraak van actief op maandag 19 april 2010 om 01:53:

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they have the contacts on the cds, russian hc fans and producers, homemade stuff.

Let me explain how a company like Thunderdome Bv or a organisation like ID&T deal with this problems. They make a kind of Indicator to watch how big the problem is.
1st of all, they don't like any kind of use or abuse.
For sure everyone that use or abuse music, design, merchandise & movie material in Holland, Belgium or Germany without permission, they take you the court. Last year that was 3 times happen and on the last Ghosttown rave the merchandise was selling fake ID&T merchandise. There where some people from ID&T also there. They give the owner of the merchandise stand 2 choices.
1. Directly put away all fake merchandise to the car.
2. Continue to sell the fake merchandise, and wait for a court order.
I was eye witness on the moment that happened, I was talking to someone that works sometimes at the merchandise. (for the persons that knows her Desiree).

This how it work outside Holland, Germany or Belgium.
Merchandise:
How do the items look? (are they selling exact copies or bad looking copies) and how much money do they make with selling the fake items.
When its outside Europa (for example) Rusia, it coust to much money & time to put someone on it to get all the fake items away from the market.
Also ID&T watch what are there plans for the future in that country, start a new label, organize raves etc. When ID&T go to the court to get money from the organizations that maybe abuse there designs they make no friends, thats not a good idea when ID&T plan to give raves in the future.
And don't forget its free promotion for ID&T in a country where the hard techno scene slowly start to grow. So abuse is not always bad.

The same counts for fake cd's better known as Bootlegs.
For the persons that don't know the word bootleg:
A bootleg is (for example) a cd that never was official released by the owner / label that have the copyrights to use the music, and release it on cd. Most of the time live recordings or Promo material. But the tracks on the cd are original but never official released. most of the time Someone steal or find a promo tape or file, put the unknow tracks on a cd, collectors want to have the cd because nowhere else they can get that unofficial released numbers.
Now days we have internet and we can download what ever you like. But 15 Years ago that was a little diffrent because there was no internet. When you like to have something spwcial you have to go out and search for it at 2nd hand markets or exchange. Sounds little like the story about the Thunder Down-under cd

That was enough text for today.
I have something I don't know myself I get this 3 vinyls last saturday.
Do all Thunderdome vinyls like on the picture have a mirrored wizz like this?






http://www.discogs.com/F-Salee-Thunderdome-IV-EP/release/113435
http://www.discogs.com/Various-Thunderdome/release/94296
http://www.discogs.com/DJ-Semzer-Sons-Of-Light-And-Sons-Of-Darkness-EP/release/172356

Nice comment/review Olav
Some time ago i look a video of Ruffneck @ Russia,
and i only can say... the people in russia was very crazy for look Ruffneck @ live


So about the Thunderdome 12" vinyls,
I have the:
Dano - Thunderdome 4 ep // mirrored wizard
the dreamteam - buzz fuzz // not mirrored wizard
the dreamteam DTP 001 - not mirrored.
F.Salee - mirrored.

all the other lp, not mirrored.

Uitspraak van Gabber4Hardcore op zondag 18 april 2010 om 22:57:

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Check this guy:

dat is:
http://www.discogs.com/artist/%D0%9A%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%84%D1%82%D0%BA%D0%BE%D1%80

aka vitaly kraft. uit moskow. aardige vent.

Uitspraak van Gabber4Hardcore op zondag 18 april 2010 om 22:57:

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Look at the 3 steps ahead logo...

daar heeft hij toestemming voor gevraagd, en gekregen!

Uitspraak van Gabber4Hardcore op maandag 19 april 2010 om 12:46:

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But, this people make the cd's on real? or only mp3 files?

hij maakt echte cd's

Ah...
About Thunder Downunder...
I never see a REAL photo of that Cd, and i always think that this cd..
NOT EXISTS.

Uitspraak van ThunderdomeUtreg op maandag 19 april 2010 om 22:46:

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what kind of Hard Techno they play. Don't forget they abuse the name "Masters Of Hardcore" as much Thunderdome.

true, but use also others.

Uitspraak van ThunderdomeUtreg op maandag 19 april 2010 om 22:46:

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For 100% sure when you find something about Thunderdome in the past with Rusian elements on it Its Fake.
1 little thing that i'm not 100% sure about is the fact some artist claim they give performances in Rusia in the name of Thunderdome / ID&T but nowone inside ID&T can or will confirm that to me.

Promo even gave a show in Siberia under TTM. The Russian scene is nice, but not that large. I do know a lot of eastern Europe gabbers. The scenes are small. Hard techno and hardstyle are large everywhere, but dont compare with gabber. Gabber is to hardtechno like black metal to rock. You get what I mean. I don't think ID&T before 2000 gave any official events in Russia. But what info do you have?
But maybe I can help there with older people inside ID&T.

Uitspraak van ThunderdomeUtreg op maandag 19 april 2010 om 22:46:

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Do all Thunderdome vinyls like on the picture have a mirrored wizz like this?

yes, I know, weird, but yes. All I've seen so far, and that is a lot.
The wizard background vinyl stickers were in reverse by some reason, at least original.

Uitspraak van ThunderdomeUtreg op maandag 19 april 2010 om 22:46:

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Now days we have internet and we can download what ever you like. But 15 Years ago that was a little diffrent because there was no internet. When you like to have something spwcial you have to go out and search for it at 2nd hand markets or exchange. Sounds little like the story about the Thunder Down-under cd

We have discussed that before. Bootlegs are usually even more valuable anyway. But in this case it's not even bootleg by any account, even using Discogs criteria. As you tested it, Dreamteam and ID&T knew about this CD, and the story is told and checked over and over.
But I agree, sometimes fake stuff in early scenes is good. In fact most rave music started by sampling and pirating shit. All said. Electronic music samples from samples from samples of samples.

Uitspraak van Gabber4Hardcore op dinsdag 20 april 2010 om 00:55:

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About Thunder Downunder...
I never see a REAL photo of that Cd, and i always think that this cd..
NOT EXISTS.

again? go back like 20 pages or so, you have a clear picture of it along with 97 megamix, ID&T 1997 and other rarities. Cortesy of some portuguese dude. And you have scans in Discogs I made myself.

Forgot to ask this Olav: what fake ID&T material was Desiree selling?

So, i told real photo, not a photo scan..
photo with the cd aside of the box,

I never understand this:
why some people never show some things at 100% ???

someone have the Thunder Downunder appart of Joao ?

P.s: if you make a photos with good resolution and so close of the cover, from above and in profile, i can say if the cover was really fake,
i work a long time in a printing company
for any thing i know so good what is the vectorization images and how to make good fakes

but make fakes is not my style,
that's only for jealous people like someone who are selling fake things on Mp,
people take care on Mp.

so people must make clear pictures to proof you its real???

just believe it and dont think that everything is fake!!

Sorry, but I did not say that everything is fake
only look at Mp what things are for sale, probaly you get cheated not too late or too early.

And at this moment i only say about the thunder downunder is fake,
and i'm not the only one who think the same

eindelijk als vermoedelijk 1 van de laatste hier vandaag binnengekregen
this is a dream comes true yellow
absolute nieuwstaat

Uitspraak van Gabber4Hardcore op dinsdag 20 april 2010 om 12:09:

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And at this moment i only say about the thunder downunder is fake,
and i'm not the only one who think the same

Nope, people think it may or may not be official ID&T, no one thinks it's fake. Fake is copies that showed up of 97 megamix (that I exposed !!!!).
Actually the pictures you SEE in Partyflock (go back some posts) show the CD I think, and they are in good quality. Not scans, real pics live with other cds. So go back and look for them!
DHG also has this cd appart from me, from the collectors who write here. Only we have it so far.

Also, it's a bit offensive, because if you noticed, I do have a site with lots and lots of thunderdome info, and as one of the major collectors for a long time, I would not lie on this. Also, it was me who exposed the fraud on 97 megamix, along wth Remko and others. And showed how to tell a real one from a fake - and a LOT of collectors found out they had a fake.

Te koop/ for sale:


THUNDERDOME 9 VHS/ VIDEO

Hoesje klikt niet meer vast.
Voor de rest in perfect staat.

Evt. te ruil tegen Thunderdome 8 of 15 VHS of Thunderdome 97 met plastic hoes.

Uitspraak van actief op dinsdag 20 april 2010 om 19:08:

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Nope, people think it may or may not be official ID&T

its already proven that its not official...but thats old news

Uitspraak van actief op dinsdag 20 april 2010 om 19:08:

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Also, it was me who exposed the fraud on 97 megamix, along

you only found out there are 2 editions ,nothing more.

Uitspraak van NLLeeuw op dinsdag 20 april 2010 om 21:40:

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you only found out there are 2 editions ,nothing more.

yes, the arcade/ID&T real edition and the fake cd-r made in 2009 copy.

Uitspraak van NLLeeuw op dinsdag 20 april 2010 om 21:40:

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its already proven that its not official...but thats old news

I think it was proven otherwise. Did you read what me and Olav wrote? No chance to go around, things are what they are, even if you dont have both items. Give time, you will.

Uitspraak van actief op woensdag 21 april 2010 om 02:24:

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I think it was proven otherwise. Did you read what me and Olav wrote? No chance to go around, things are what they are, even if you dont have both items. Give time, you will.

Olav is giving me other information than you clame here.

@ Olav, please tell your story!! Is it a Thunderdome cd or not?

Voor de liefhebbers (deel 2):

Thunderdome Member Card:
http://link.marktplaats.nl/338555717

ZGAN Art Of Dance Bomber mt L:
http://link.marktplaats.nl/340972340

Biografie van een DJ (Charly Lownoise):
http://link.marktplaats.nl/340997848

Doe een bod via MP of pb me via partyflock!

Ik weet dat het niet veel voorstelt,maarja je moet ergens beginnen.

Uitspraak van L.C. op woensdag 21 april 2010 om 19:50:

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Ik weet dat het niet veel voorstelt,maarja je moet ergens beginnen.

zo zijn we allemaal begonnen, de een met flyers, de andere met merchandise, cd's etc. ik ging toen ik 14-15 was elke weekend naar midtown of twist en shout in utreg, kreeg ik altijd een dikke zak met flyers van meerdere weken en feesten. Na een paar jaar heb je dan al een leuke stapel hoor!

Uitspraak van actief op woensdag 21 april 2010 om 02:24:

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I think it was proven otherwise

why should I care what you "think"..that a stupid thing to say ..
you dont think that you read something..you read it,and thats it..
your thunderdown under is brought out with permission..but its not an ID&T edition..so its un official..
there for not an official thunderdome cd..whats so difficult about that??

Uitspraak van actief op woensdag 21 april 2010 om 02:24:

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yes, the arcade/ID&T real edition and the fake cd-r made in 2009 copy.

so jelous you dont have both I gues...

Uitspraak van actief op woensdag 21 april 2010 om 02:24:

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Did you read what me and Olav wrote?

Uitspraak van verwijderd op woensdag 21 april 2010 om 16:48:

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Olav is giving me other information than you clame here.
@ Olav, please tell your story!! Is it a Thunderdome cd or not?

This is the last time I talk about this cd in public.
For the rest I still keep working on it @ the background,
new information I keep for myself untill I know the 100% treu story.

The facts I know sofar that are 100% sure:
Thunderdome Tour Down-Under 1995 and 1996 about 7 raves total, all diffrent locations and citys
Earthquake Down-Under 1997. That year was no thunderdome tour.
All information and facts I told in the past are bassed on Party revieuws, flyers, pictures, other international rave forums, facebook, strobe, Thundermagazine, australian rave magazines, other rave magazines, Video Material I Own, Contacts I have inside ID&T, contacts I have @ other organisations in Australia, dicogs, Dj Dano, Gizmo & Buzz Fuzz in know in privat, Thunderdome Radio, Thunderdome Crew, old Thunderdome crew, M-Design, Q-dance, people that where on that rave, organisation of the raves Down-Under. Nowhere exept 1 flyer is talk about this cd
But all the people I ask about this cd Say the same,
we never saw the cd before, and they also don't know about the exist of this cd.
And believe when I say there are some artists with nice collections also.

So till this far my conclusion its a Bootleg.
I believe the recording on the cds are live, Maybe digital remasterd I never hear whats on the cd.
I believe people of the organisation from the rave in Perth or Sidney and bring it out on cd.
Design 100% no ID&T. Maybe people from en-rave back then ask prommision to bring out a cd after the rave.
And id&t say solong the cover not say thunderdome we agree. But that do not make it a real Thunderdome cd.
But collectors like to have it now, The recordings are for sure on that cd and its un-official is enough for me to make it a bootleg in my eyes.

Uitspraak van Gelache woar op woensdag 21 april 2010 om 21:46:

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twist en shout in utreg

Dan ken jij deze ook vast nog wel
Links boven cd heb ik gisteren van iemand gehad

ziezo alles eens proper in de kast
[albumelement=77029844]{element is niet toegankelijk}

Uitspraak van Natas_Gabber_Carlo op donderdag 22 april 2010 om 12:01:

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ziezo alles eens proper in de kast

ooit steek ik je voorbij hoop ik

maar wel mooie collectie dat je hebt

Iemand de poster Thunderdome A Decade te koop?

Ben ook nog op zoek naar deze cd,s.

Uitspraak van ThunderdomeUtreg op donderdag 22 april 2010 om 10:33:

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But that do not make it a real Thunderdome cd

This is was i mean Joao. A very nice item , no doubt, but not original.

For our spanish friend:
http://gabber.no.sapo.pt/cdseveral2.jpg
http://gabber.no.sapo.pt/cdseveral.jpg

Uitspraak van NLLeeuw op woensdag 21 april 2010 om 22:38:

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so jelous you dont have both I gues...

Erm, jeaslous I dont have a CD-r copy?
http://gabber.no.sapo.pt/faqfake.htm - get informed

Uitspraak van ThunderdomeUtreg op donderdag 22 april 2010 om 10:33:

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Party revieuws, flyers, pictures, other international rave forums, facebook, strobe, Thundermagazine, australian rave magazines, other rave magazines, Video Material I Own, Contacts I have inside ID&T, contacts I have @ other organisations in Australia, dicogs, Dj Dano, Gizmo & Buzz Fuzz in know in privat, Thunderdome Radio, Thunderdome Crew, old Thunderdome crew, M-Design, Q-dance, people that where on that rave, organisation of the raves Down-Under. Nowhere exept 1 flyer is talk about this cd
But all the people I ask about this cd Say the same,
we never saw the cd before, and they also don't know about the exist of this cd.

Of all those people, only Enrave could tell anything. M-Design did not make this cover, Q-Dance has nothing to do with it, discogs all info there was put by me (and you have people there with the CD!), thunderdome radio people can't even know anything before 2004.
As for people who were at the rave and the organization of Thunderdome Australia raves, sorry, then you have really poor contacts. Because not only are aussie rave foruns filled with references to the CD, so that many people there talk about it and have it. Enrave was a group of people that belong to Central Station, who organized the aussie TD raves: they were the ones to give me information already back when this first showed up in ebay.
But something I don't understand, just like 1 month ago you told me Buzz Fuzz, Gizmo and Dano knew about this CD, but said the CDs were not live recorded with audience, and that Mouth of Madness knew about the CD. Now you say they don't know about the cD?

I will repost this I wrote in end of January:
- Thunderdome Downunder Vol1 was allowed by ID&T for promotion, but they did not put a bar code on it because Enrave would have to pay ID&T
- The CD had artwork and concept from the same people who made the event flyer, and his announced on an official thunderdome flyer
- The CD was made by Enrave, a sublabel of the famous Central Station Records in Australia, well known of us all
- Enrave organized the event together with Central Station and ID&T
- The CD is not live recorded, no sound of the audience. Story to Olav: livesets recorded in the studio. Story told to me: live recording was terrible, they recorded the liveset and mastered on studio. (small difference)

Doesn't matter at all, it's a nice item worthy for the collection, but not official Thunderdome.
Can everybody lives with that?

Uitspraak van verwijderd op donderdag 22 april 2010 om 22:34:

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Can everybody lives with that?

If it's official, I cannot agree with what you said

Probaly not fake (original) ,
but sure that is not official

So, about the Thunderdome III with the print inside the cover,
if that cd is the spanish.. i never believe that this is 100% certain,
becouse i born and live on that country, and i knowed a lot of people who have it (but not want to sell it...)
and i never see these prints inside the cover.

exactly my cousin has it from since it went on sale in its correct years, and the cd not have this prints.

you can tell what you want, -"but I think that for that reason, not for take the opposite "-,

sorry i write to joao on my language the words with the ""quotes"" becouse i don't know at 100% how to explain good,

"que pienso eso por esas razones, no por llevarte la contraria "

Uitspraak van actief op donderdag 22 april 2010 om 20:55:

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Q-Dance has nothing to do with it

Q-Dance have more to do with thunderdome then you know.
But like I say, I don't talk about this cd any more, Its thunderdome related but not official a Thunderdome cd.
Sorry Joao

Line up for tonight @ Club Noa Leeuwarden, Frozenland hardcore 4 Kika.
Line-up

1Noa
23:00 - 23:30: Fuckface
23:00 - 23:30: Paralizer
23:00 - 23:30: Rabies & Alian
23:30 - 00:00: Marlin
23:30 - 00:00: Uzi
00:00 - 00:30: Da Pauli
00:30 - 01:00: Bass-D
00:30 - 01:00: Masochist
00:30 - 01:00: Outblast
00:30 - 01:00: Re-Style
01:00 - 01:30: DaY-már
01:00 - 01:30: Justice
01:00 - 01:30: Negative A
01:30 - 02:00: Live: Frozenland Allstars
02:00 - 02:30: Arjuna
02:00 - 02:30: Ominous
02:00 - 02:30: Painbringer
02:00 - 02:30: Sequence
02:40 - 03:10: Chosen Few
02:40 - 03:10: Dano
03:10 - 03:20: Live: Chrono
03:20 - 03:50: Rudeboy
03:20 - 03:50: MC: Syco
03:20 - 03:50: Tomcat
03:20 - 03:50: Vecino
03:20 - 03:50: Vinyl Junk
03:50 - 04:00: Live: Mr. Courage
04:00 - 04:30: Drokz
04:30 - 05:00: Live: Noisekick
00:00 - 00:00: MC: Da Mouth of Madness
00:00 - 00:00: VJ: Digital Movement
00:00 - 00:00: MC: Ruffian
00:00 - 00:00: MC: Triggah
2Basement
23:00 - 23:45: Damian Keane
23:00 - 23:45: Ruiz
23:45 - 00:30: Thrillseekers
23:45 - 00:30: Wicked DJ Team
00:30 - 01:15: House the 90s DJ Team
01:15 - 02:00: Ieliej
01:15 - 02:00: Omistettu
01:15 - 02:00: Yorit FM
02:00 - 03:00: D-Saster
02:00 - 03:00: Mercenary
02:00 - 03:00: Terminal
02:00 - 03:00: The Menace
02:00 - 03:00: Vavaculo
03:00 - 03:45: Detonator
03:00 - 03:45: Eek
03:00 - 03:45: Mobius
03:00 - 03:45: Mortis
03:45 - 04:30: Pacifier
03:45 - 04:30: Sylar
03:45 - 04:30: The Demon Dwarf
04:30 - 05:00: Obscurity
04:30 - 05:00: Rampage

Uitspraak van Gabber4Hardcore op vrijdag 23 april 2010 om 02:02:

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becouse i born and live on that country, and i knowed a lot of people who have it (but not want to sell it...)
and i never see these prints inside the cover.

Hence why it's rare.

Uitspraak van Gabber4Hardcore op vrijdag 23 april 2010 om 02:02:

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Probaly not fake (original) ,
but sure that is not official

Not fake as you see, and original. If I was not certain I wouldn't say it. Remember, I checked this in 2007 BEFORE I even got it on ebay for a bargain price (not the 1000€ people offer me nowadays). All the bullshit talk on the forum can't chance what the CD is and how bad people want it right now.

Uitspraak van ThunderdomeUtreg op vrijdag 23 april 2010 om 08:01:

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Q-Dance have more to do with thunderdome then you know.
But like I say, I don't talk about this cd any more, Its thunderdome related but not official a Thunderdome cd.

There is no related. Either it is or not. I respect your opinion, but for me official, and I have certain of it. So far no one showed better sources of info, and I just see contraditions and nothing else. My story is clear and plain and checked and REchecked. And flyers prove it, no chance around that for sure.
(Q-Dance is a daughter company of ID&T, the relationship is there, along with some people who work with Q-Dance. But almost no one related to this period we talk about.)

Will there be a TD in May or June? Seems quite late to announce it...

Uitspraak van actief op donderdag 22 april 2010 om 22:37:

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If it's official, I cannot agree with what you said

it's not official Joao, sorry to say but it's just not a Thunderdome cd, neither Thunderticket!!
Same story, it's related to a party but not a Thunderdome.

Uitspraak van verwijderd op vrijdag 23 april 2010 om 18:08:

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it's not official Joao, sorry to say but it's just not a Thunderdome cd, neither Thunderticket!!

I rest my case. That makes even less sense. But I get the relation between the 2 cds like you say.

Nieuw T-shirt in huis

I have it
Nice shit Tsjuk

Heb een megamix 4 duitse versie & megamix 14 dubbel liggen

Iemand een idee wat deze waard zijn momenteel?