De euforie heeft 2C-B verder geen invloed op, maar als je je wat minder van het padje voelde...dat kan zeker komen omdat je de dag ervoor 2C-B gepakt hebt.
Hoe (zit dat) dan volgens jou? Ben benieuwd
De meeste goeie Engelse bronnen die ik heb gelezen melden namelijk dat er
geen kruistolerantie tussen beide is, dus volgens mij is het gebruik van dat woord hier, voor die vage gevoelens waar je het over hebt, gewoonweg fout

Kruistolerantie beschrijft niet echt een "gevoeletje van hekjes, spacen en vaag" kruistolerantie beschrijft de werking, and hell it just does work
C-B kan wel kruistolerantie hebben met het 'vage' gevoel van
En er is niet eens kruistolerantie tussen MDA en MDMA.. laat staan dat het logisch is dat het met 2C-B wel het geval is.
(wel met MDEA geloof ik en zeker met MA: MethAmphetamine, maar dat terzijde)
Cross-tolerance to MA appeared to develop only in the group of rats that had been injected with MDMA on a daily basis before the milk-drinking sessions. Cross-tolerance to MDA did not develop in any of the 4 groups of rats.
Tolerance and cross-tolerance to 3,4-methylenedioxymethamphetamine (MDMA), methamphetamine and methylenedioxyamphetamine
by Zacny JP, Virus RM, Woolverton WL.
Drug Abuse Research Center,
Pritzker School of Medicine,
University of Chicago, IL 60637.
Pharmacol Biochem Behav 1990 Mar;35(3):637-42
had zaterdag op awake gesnoept en zondag ge2cbd maar voelde zowat niets van de 2cb...
dat is dus andersom dan wat Kontra beschreef/quote. Dit zou gewoon horen te werken hoor, te werken opz'n minst! Wat was je dosis, en hoe was die in vergelijking tot eerdere ervaringen op 2CB? En was het dezelfde 2CB als je eerder misschien had?
Er zijn zat reports op inet te vinden van mensen die prima trips hebben op 2CB een dag na MDMA, of zelfs aansluitend daaraan..in die laatste ervaring kan ik zelfs meedelen; werkt prima.
Helaas kan ik nu geen topbronnen vinden, maar wel wat fora posts elders:
you don't need a higher dose. 2c-b is a little bit strange... with 15mg swim had no effects and with 20mg a really strong trip
MDMA don't affect the 2c-b effects... even the combo of both is really nice :cheers2:
Ook wel leuk omschreven met lachgas deze :
I have since tried 35mg with MDMA. And then abother day some MDMA (full/heavy dose), 30mg about an hour in, and 25mg about an hour after that, along with plenty of nitrous (and some hash/pot a few hours before any of this began).
This second combo experience, I should really write a trip report on, as I'd consider this to be the second +4 experience I've ever had. I surged, and surged with waves happiness. It was overwhelming. I'd get up, and try to go to my tent. I was hallucinating so strongly (colors, rainbows, shifting shapes in the air) it was hard to see where I was going. I began to get really confused at this point, not knowing where exactly I was. I'd carefully try to walk in a straight line to get to the tent, and then end up somewhere completely different.
Anyway, I eventually got back, and got into the nitrous. This was something else. Nitrous always sends me straight into hyperspace when I'm tripping, and blows me away on MDMA. But this time it was as if everything stopped when it kicked in. I had no idea what was going on, why, how.. just completely gone. It felt like I was a color on one end of the spectrum. I could feel it, see it (all over my field of vision).. then.. nang... nang... nang... Nang.. Nang.. NANGNANGNAGNANGNAG!!!... My color began shifting down the spectrum and repeating, faster and faster. It felt increadible! The most concentrated feeling of happiness and wellbeing I can remember. Each color shift changed the feel. So amazing.
MDMA & 2C-B in a row:
Last night I experienced one of the most intense trips of my life. I took one tablet of MDMA and 25 mg of 2-CB. The conjunction of the 2 is not what you would expect after experiencing them seperatly. It was more intense than a 30 mg 2-CB trip I took once. I assumed that it would be an emotionally tinged sunburst; pardon me, lest I hurt my feelings under the light. It was much different. Qualitativly, it reminded me of the experience that I called Azathoth (5-meo-DMT and harmaline). There was the stopping of the wheel of life and that horror/ecstacy of "I AM". Quantitativly, I am amazed. One thing that certainly does not occur is cross-tolerance. MDMA was like a potentiator. This is not an experience along the lines of taking a valium to ease the intensity of a hallucinogen. It is something that someone needs to be prepared for; it had me lying on my bed while fractals shone before my eye and a purely Jupiterian psychic egg gave me the re-birth that I so desperatly need. A stange combination.
Don't forget about these:
Yeah I have to admit, it can be variable. I usually say I need at least 26mg of 2C-B to trip hard...but over the summer I took 16mg at the Rainbow Gathering and had a +3. Last weekend, I took 24mg and went hiking. While the experience was not mind-blowing...it was a full +3 and was far more powerful than (for instance) the first time I tried the material (which was at 26mg,)
Set and setting are (like always) of vital importance.
ome users often refer to MDMA as a 'psychedelic amplifier' or 'catalyst', enhancing the effect of psychedelics without changing their quality. This has been tested with LSD, 2CB, MEM, 2-CT-2 and may apply to all other psychedelics. The psychedelic is taken towards the end of the strongest part of the Ecstasy trip.(144) Some people use E to ensure against bad trips: once the MDMA has established its usual positive effect, the course is set for the LSD trip. Others find that LSD loses its usual effect and simply amplifies the effect of the E.(128)
A popular combination among home users is MDMA with 2CB taken towards the end of an E trip. As the 2CB takes over from the MDMA, the experience is subtly changed towards a more intellectual viewpoint from which some people find it easier to assimilate any insights gained.(31) For hedonists taking E with a lover, the 2CB provides the erotic component of love suppressed by the Ecstasy.(128)
was uiteindelijk goed ver heen van de MDMA, maar was toch wat minder dan ik verwacht had eigenlijk.
dat kan natuurlijk sowieso wel bij MDMA, daar heb je misschien al een aardige tolerantie voor. Anyway, like said, heeft eerder met de Methylone te maken dan de 2C-B. IS het wel goeie M en hoe zeker ben je daarvan?
There has not been any cross-tolerance reported between MDMA and psychedelics that target the 5-HT-2 receptor subtypes like LSD and 2C-I. I haven't seen any anecdotal reports (other than the one above) of a direct cross-tolerance between any of the 2Cs and MDMA, though few people take them in the same day at separate times. There are reports of combinations, in which both of the drugs seem to be potentiated. One friend of mine has reported taking 2C-B one day and MDMA the next without having any diminished effects.
The combination of 2CB or 2CT2 (sold legally in Amsterdam [destijds]) with MDMA gives
you the same effect as the first time you take MDMA...Shulgin writes about
this phenomenon. I am not sure why the interaction of these drugs two
gives you this effect.
Neal Gilbert,
University of Michigan
School of Public Healtrh
En ook wel interessant wat betreft tolerantie (niet kruis tolerantie) voor MDMA in het algemeen:
Chronic tolerance to recreational MDMA
(3,4-methylenedioxymethamphetamine) or Ecstasy
by Parrott AC.
Department of Psychology, University of Wales, Swansea, UK.
J Psychopharmacol. 2005 Jan;19(1):71-83
ABSTRACT
This review of chronic tolerance to MDMA (3,4-methylenedioxymetamphetamine) covers the empirical data on dosage escalation, reduced subjective efficacy and bingeing in recreational Ecstasy users. Novice users generally take a single Ecstasy tablet, regular users typically take 2-3 tablets, whereas the most experienced users may take 10-25 tablets in a single session. Reduced subjective efficacy following repeated usage is typically described, with many users subjectively reporting the development of tolerance. Intensive self-administration or bingeing is often noted by experienced users. This can comprise 'stacking' on several tablets together, and 'boosting' on successive doses over an extended period. Some experienced users snort Ecstasy powder nasally, whereas a small minority inject MDMA. Chronic tolerance and bingeing are statistically linked to higher rates of drug-related psychobiological problems. In terms of underlying mechanisms, neuroadaptive processes are certainly involved, but there is a paucity of evidence on hepatic and behavioural mechanisms. Further studies specifically designed to investigate chronic tolerance, involving low intermittent dose regimens, are required. Most animal research has involved intensive MDMA dosing regimens designed to engender serotonergic neurotoxicity, and this may comprise another underlying mechanism. If distal serotonin axon terminal loss was also developing in recreational users, it may help to explain why reducing subjective efficacy, dosage escalation and increasing psychobiological problems often develop in parallel. In conclusion, there is extensive evidence for chronic pharmacodynamic tolerance to recreational Ecstasy/MDMA, but the underlying mechanisms are currently unclear. Several traditional processes are probably involved, but one of the possible causes is a novel mechanism largely unique to the ring substituted amphetamine derivatives, namely serotonergic neurotoxicity.
Wat betreft het "legendary painful" gedeelte dat wel eens de kop op steekt:
^ 2C-B doesn't hurt initially like some of the 2Cs do. You blow it, then wait. It starts hurting a few minutes later, and it damn sure isn't comfortable lol. 2C-B isn't an instant high like some of the other 2Cs are, it takes a bit, like 5min, and the burn starts a minute or so afterwards, so you do have time to contemplate the pain. 2C-T-2 on the other hand, burned INSTANTLY, and was very painful, although, a minute or so after insufflation, the 2C-T-2 kicked in, so you forgot about it. 2C-B isn't instant at all in insufflation, it takes like 5min or so to kick in, so you can expect to feel the burn for a few minutes after snorting it. And it isn't pleasant.
Ghehe
This whole business about any of the 2c's being close to any mdma like chem is a load of bull if you ask me. In my view 2c's are alot closer to mescaline than any mdxx compound but the real truth is they are completely unique in my opinion. Even among the 2c's themselves that I've taken theres a good bit of variance. The times I've taken 2c-i have been very stimulative especially on the come-up while the 2c-t-21 I've taken was very mellow and peaceful.
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=132396
ZO nog ff wat meer leesvoer opzoeken en lezen, want dat het laatste hier (en over andere dingen

) nog niet over is gezegd is wel duidelijk.
Ik voel alweer wat voor avond dit gaat worden
Nou, geloof me...met ogen dicht was het nog 100 keer zo mooi, en dan overdrijf ik niet want ik heb het uitgerekend. 
Ghehe ik geloof dat ik die gedachte flow (uitgerekend) wel enigzins begrijp
Ik vond die stage nuchter zelfs mooi, maar ben er weinig geweest. Heel AWFS eigenlijk nuchter geweest
Checkin' the mail any time soon aswell
