Diffrences between the 70`s Generation and the 80`s & 90`s Generation

There seems to be alot of diffrences and opinions between the 70`s generation and the generation of 80`s and 90`s. Times do chnage of course and things get more modern and open minded year by year.

But was is your opinion about the new generation? Better or worse?

Greetz

not one of them !
each one had good things

Worse, for sure. But i have the hope that not all the 80's generation is that fucked up.

Uitspraak van French connection op maandag 17 april 2006 om 19:59:

Worse, for sure

Maybe it's not the generation that changed in the years but you're the one that are different now.

Uitspraak van ENROC op maandag 17 april 2006 om 20:10:

Maybe it's not the generation that changed in the years but you're the one that are different now

No I don`t think we are diffrent, just more responsable. We did crazy things also but it seems that the new generations are way over the line but I think it will come good

Uitspraak van ENROC op maandag 17 april 2006 om 20:10:

Maybe it's not the generation that changed in the years but you're the one that are different now.

It could be yes, and of course i'm different than 10 years ago. However i'm not the only one to think that (but you still can say that these poeple have changed also), people from the 60's, 50's say that too. My sister was born in 1980 and she also say that, she deosn't like much her own generation.

Uitspraak van Alex Moulas op maandag 17 april 2006 om 20:16:

We did crazy things also

Of course, every generation did. But i definitly believe that we have more respect & honor for instance...

I even think people 5 years younger than me go much further now..

Maybe it's because they start where there the earlier generation stopped..

Once rock 'n roll was too loud an made by the devil
So what is hardcore these days?

Uitspraak van French connection op maandag 17 april 2006 om 20:20:

Of course, every generation did. But i definitly believe that we have more respect & honor for instance...

Yes my friend that is true. We were briught up like that. Nowadays I see the young ones and they do some things that I never even thought about and believe me I did alot of shit

Our generation wanted to built and accomplish something in life. It seems like the new one doesn`t really care but still it remains to be seen.

I think it's a matter of education, of influence from the tv, magazines, from the society in general. We're also losing a lot of traditions, landmarks. Times are changing, but not for the better i'm affraid.

Uitspraak van Alex Moulas op maandag 17 april 2006 om 20:26:

the new one doesn`t really care

no, and they want everything easly without "paying", without "working" to get it.

Every generation has its madness, music and grow.
What I miss most in this generation is respect.

Uitspraak van Tijgertjuh** op maandag 17 april 2006 om 20:42:

What I miss most in this generation is respect.

Yup but I think it all comes from the parents. If the Father and mother teach the kid morals and disepline then the kids won`t turn out so bad like they do....

Uitspraak van Alex Moulas op maandag 17 april 2006 om 21:04:

If the Father and mother teach the kid morals and disepline then the kids won`t turn out so bad like they do....

there would be less chance yes, but still... the influence they get from the society, friends, school, etc...

Uitspraak van French connection op maandag 17 april 2006 om 21:07:

there would be less chance yes, but still... the influence they get from the society, friends, school, etc...

I agree

As parent you can try to raise your children with values and respect. To know whats wright or wrong.
But if they "meet the wrong friends" ......
Society has a big influence.

Uitspraak van Tijgertjuh** op dinsdag 18 april 2006 om 08:18:

As parent you can try to raise your children with values and respect. To know whats wright or wrong

Ummm well it seems some parents ain`t doing a good job, for this new generation does`t even care about what their parents say, ...and as far as friends are concerned, the parents can`t help that but they can help for the kid to be a better person

I think when it comes to youth culture (I don't know the correct translation) the biggest change that has evolved in the 80's/90's compared to the 70's is that youth culture is now more based on hedonistic principles. Where the youth culture (like the hippie's and punker) were more based on social changes, the dance of the nineties is more based on pure enjoyement.

Uitspraak van verwijderd op woensdag 19 april 2006 om 14:53:

I think when it comes to youth culture (I don't know the correct translation) the biggest change that has evolved in the 80's/90's compared to the 70's is that youth culture is now more based on hedonistic principles. Where the youth culture (like the hippie's and punker) were more based on social changes, the dance of the nineties is more based on pure enjoyement

Ramon,well thats avery intresting concept of yours However my friend I don`t think 10 years of diffrence has much of an influence. We weren`t hippies my friend, that would be our fathers or grandfathers to others. We also were strange and all stupid things and used drugs and all but like most of us agree in this forum we had something which seems to be lost in this generation and that is respect

Respect and morals are gone from today`s generation. I mean its okay to do changes and its okay to break taboos But keep the respect and well some morals to it. Not fuck the world and well I don`t give a fuck kind of attitude.

The hippies (who were indeed our parents/grandparents) fought for freedom of individuality. They have won a lot of this freedom. Most of the Christian dogma's are lost. Our generation is now enoying these freedoms. So the only thing left for our generation is simply to party. Wich brings us to the dilemma of the generation before us. Because they fought for individual freedom they're having a hard time bringing up morals to their children. Constantly doubting wether the rules they set up are not to bossy. The need for individual freedom has now turned over to a over relatevating attitude towards bad behaviour.

Uitspraak van verwijderd op zaterdag 22 april 2006 om 11:00:

Most of the Christian dogma's are lost.

which is maybe one of the reason why everything is so fucked up now...

Uitspraak van French connection op zaterdag 22 april 2006 om 11:01:

which is maybe one of the reason why everything is so fucked up now...

It probably is partly the reason. Individual freedom and breaking loose from all rules has gone a step to far.

this is the 70`s guru

Freedom is a BIG word, Every person is free to do what he / she wants, however there should be rules and laws to it. And most of all like I mentioned before respect for one an other like this Jesus dude said 2006 years ago.

However I believe that this new generation might be worse then us cause they are a bit more lost but hey there is always hope for them and for the rest.

Uitspraak van verwijderd op maandag 17 april 2006 om 19:58:

not one of them !
each one had good things

Uitspraak van Alex Moulas op maandag 24 april 2006 om 20:07:

Freedom is a BIG word, Every person is free to do what he / she wants, however there should be rules and laws to it. And most of all like I mentioned before respect for one an other like this Jesus dude said 2006 years ago.

Exactly. But it is a good thing most of our generation now starting to realise that.

Uitspraak van Alex Moulas op maandag 24 april 2006 om 20:07:

I believe that this new generation might be worse then us cause they are a bit more lost

I think because it has escaleted so much our generation can learn from its mistaces. So we will raise our kids with morals etcetera. When it comes to morals there are constant movements. Every generation contradicts the generation before them. I think in the future everything will be strict again.

Uitspraak van verwijderd op woensdag 26 april 2006 om 09:25:

But it is a good thing most of our generation now starting to realise that.

Are you???

Uitspraak van verwijderd op woensdag 26 april 2006 om 09:25:

. I think in the future everything will be strict again.

dont forget the fun neither! there's a time for everything

Uitspraak van French connection op woensdag 26 april 2006 om 12:11:

dont forget the fun neither! there's a time for everything

That's true. Someday in the near future things will escalate. Wich will lead to a complete change. A 180 degrees turn over. Than later on the flaws of over strictness will be discovered and than it will slowly losen up untill it will escalet again, etcetera, etcetera.

Raising children is a serious job.
There was a time when parents thought "talking with kids" was the solution.
It is, for children who can understand what you are talking about (age, teenagers etc.)
Children need direction, parents need to give their children direction.
If there are no rules or the consistance from the parents to handle the rules, kids grow up to selfish people.

These kids learned that things always go their way, the way they want it. When these children are grown up they still think that things wil allways go their way. As child they learned to screem, yell, cry, get abusive to get what they want. Why should they do different as a grownup? It allways worked for them why shouldn't it now?

No respect for others, selfish and abusive

Uitspraak van Tijgertjuh** op woensdag 26 april 2006 om 13:43:

Raising children is a serious job.
There was a time when parents thought "talking with kids" was the solution.
It is, for children who can understand what you are talking about (age, teenagers etc.)
Children need direction, parents need to give their children direction.
If there are no rules or the consistance from the parents to handle the rules, kids grow up to selfish people.

These kids learned that things always go their way, the way they want it. When these children are grown up they still think that things wil allways go their way. As child they learned to screem, yell, cry, get abusive to get what they want. Why should they do different as a grownup? It allways worked for them why shouldn't it now?

That's exactly what I meant before.

Age

I mean like, the parents of my generation raising children with much freedom (freedom te express their individuality) Now people come to realise that children need striktness and boundries because the freedom led to a chaos of immoral behaviour).
The only way I know this with my modest age is because I'm studying some sort of social science.

And all the bullshits they watch on TV doesn't help...

Uitspraak van French connection op dinsdag 2 mei 2006 om 15:00:

And all the bullshits they watch on TV doesn't help...

Exactly, kids need a rolmodel who tells them what to do. If that rolmodel is 50 cent who's talking about shooting people for their shoes it is not strange that we've got a total fucked up generation on our hands.

Uitspraak van verwijderd op woensdag 26 april 2006 om 12:25:

That's true. Someday in the near future things will escalate. Wich will lead to a complete change. A 180 degrees turn over. Than later on the flaws of over strictness will be discovered and than it will slowly losen up untill it will escalet again, etcetera, etcetera.

I've read the whole topic and mostly, I agree with you. But I also think that a 180 degrees turn over will not bring us any further.
However, a 179 deegrees turn over would be great

Think about it: this social evolution we're talking about seems to function like a wave. What if the amplitude of that wave is getting smaller and smaller over many generations? There would, at some point, be perfect ballance.

Could this be reality and therefor be the purpose of all these changing events?

Uitspraak van voortschrijdend gemiddelde op dinsdag 2 mei 2006 om 17:30:

Think about it: this social evolution we're talking about seems to function like a wave. What if the amplitude of that wave is getting smaller and smaller over many generations?

I think your right about that. But still a wave implicates a great force at the beginning. It overwelms the old and then slowly integrates with it (over the generations) But because it slowly keeps on working through the different generations it will eventually be to much. It's hardly noticeable (like the frog in cooking wather syndrom) Untill we realise that it has gone to far and then (onfurtantely) it is not in the nature of yuman kind to take small steps to bring back the balance but people screaming for a total change (panic reaction).
That is what also happened with the freedom. First the older people were very dogmatic. Than came the sixties generation, protesting for freedom of morality (the sixtie's generation can be called the wave). Finally to got what they want. The next generations were slowly building out those freedoms untill we arrived at the current situation were girls are having sex for Breezers and boys are kicking eachothers head in for a Nike cap.
And there's JP with his morals and values. Now there are even voices rising to set in a curveu for kids under sixteen (a new wave the other way around).
See what I mean. People are always switching between indifference and hysteria.

p.s. Are you a Hunter.S. Thompson reader?

Uitspraak van verwijderd op dinsdag 2 mei 2006 om 19:21:

Untill we realise that it has gone to far and then (onfurtantely) it is not in the nature of yuman kind to take small steps to bring back the balance but people screaming for a total change (panic reaction).

Uitspraak van verwijderd op dinsdag 2 mei 2006 om 19:21:

See what I mean. People are always switching between indifference and hysteria.

I see what you mean. But are you also saying that this switching will never stop?

I think revolutions aren't actually revolutions when you look at them over a longer period of time. Just milestones in evolution, preventing it to stagnate.
Assuming people will learn from their own history, maybe they will at some point (thanks to, not in spite of) redical changes in the opposite direction, find balance.

But that's just my idea, I've no way of proving/knowing any of this for sure.

Uitspraak van verwijderd op dinsdag 2 mei 2006 om 19:21:

p.s. Are you a Hunter.S. Thompson reader?

No, are you? If so: why would you recommend his books?

Uitspraak van voortschrijdend gemiddelde op dinsdag 2 mei 2006 om 19:45:

think revolutions aren't actually revolutions

That's true. They're more like eruptions of problems breeding under the surface for a long time.

Uitspraak van voortschrijdend gemiddelde op dinsdag 2 mei 2006 om 19:45:

Assuming people will learn from their own history, maybe they will at some point (thanks to, not in spite of) redical changes in the opposite direction, find balance.

I thin that's the essence of our difference in looking at the problem. I think yumanity will never reach a point of perfection of some sort. Because the life of one generation is simply to short for that. I think our ability to learn from history is limited because our ability to place ourselves in other situations is. For instance racism. You might say that we have learned from world war two but while the generations who lived it are dying, racism is becoming more and more a fact of every day life.
So it happends that every generation will have to learn the same lessons and by the time they've learned they die and leave a generation behind with nothing but stories to learn from.
But then again. I also have no way of proving my right. It is just my (slightly pessemistic) view on mankind.

Uitspraak van voortschrijdend gemiddelde op dinsdag 2 mei 2006 om 19:45:

No, are you? If so: why would you recommend his books?

I just thought you did because of some quotes you used (god's special porototype) The whole quote is (if I remember correctly): 'God's special prototype, to strange for mass production, to rare to die'
but I can recommand his books. Sharp social criticism and a lot of drugs experiences.

I must agree with you all gentlemen about your comments, but yet there is no solution...

But we`ll see eh, I mean they will be our age in a few years so lets jsut wait and see