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The Chilbolton 'Arecibo message', made in August 2001, is one of the most controversial and interesting of all crop circles. It introduces a new element of binary code with a discrete message into a 30-year pattern of geometric designs with non-specific messages. Paul Vigay's article written after he personally visited the formation site and posted on his Crop Circle Research web site is reproduced below.


The Chilbolton (2001) formations are consistent with the pattern of slow escalation in crop circle and extraterrestrial messages. Crop circle appearances were nearly unnoticed for about 20 years, from around 1971 until 1991. During this initial 20 years, simple circles and lines in formations were uncannily similar to the designs that Carl Jung wrote about in his 1957 treatise, Flying Saucers: A Modern Myth Of Things Seen In The Sky. Jung noted that the symbolism associated with UFO reports [and later seen in crop circles] were the same symbols found at the deepest levels of the psyche. When traditionalists concluded that the similarities between symbols in UFO reports and the psyche must mean that UFO's are projections of the psyche, Jung responded that until we can explain how projections of the psyche register on radar at speeds of 3,000 miles an hour we must look for other explanations.

After two retired Englishmen (Doug and Dave) claimed in 1991 to have "thunk up" crop circle designs for laughs while drinking beer in an English pub, crop circle designs immediately became more complex with mathematical messages that included Gerald Hawkins' discovering a new "Euclidean" in the ratios of crop circle elements. In this same period, Doug and Dave admitted they were not responsible for early crop circles when confronted with the evidence of crop circles dating to 1971 when they had previously claimed to have been making the designs only since 1978. Further, Doug and Dave admitted they had not plotted crop circle designs in Avebury near Stonehenge where the greatest number of crop circles had appeared.

Copycat designs of circles, lines and triangles flourished in the 1990's and were eventually commissioned by commercial interests as advertising schemes. The Chilbolton crop circle with its explicit message set a new pace in crop circle designs with a stunning response to message sent by radio telescope by the federally funded Search For Extraterrestrial Intelligence (SETI) in 1974.
In this single message the mathematical basis of crop circle designs accelerated to new levels in two formations made next to the Chilbolton radio telescope in England. The complexity and explicit mathematical message of the design defied capabilities of drunks working alone in the dark of night with straight-forward but distinct changes in the binary code to the message SETI sent in 1974.

These features are particularly important because copycats are exactly that. They are copycats who copy designs of genuinely mysterious formations but never produced the cellular changes caused by rapid, high heating with electromagnetic anomalies in genuine formations.

Similarities between the earliest crop circle designs and symbolism reported in UFO reports that Carl Jung wrote about are striking. Incremental phases of accelerated activity in UFO sightings, that researchers call UFO waves, and developmental phases in crop circle designs are comparable. Like the UFO phenomenon, hoaxers and copycats follow the pace set in genuinely mysterious events. The Chilbolton crop circles are most likely genuine formations that set the pace for a new phase of crop circle designs that undoubtedly will be seen in future copycats.

Crop Circle Research Database

The Chilbolton 'Arecibo message' Formation, 2001 (uk01dm)
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Field Report:
by Paul Vigay - 26th Aug 2001


On Tuesday 21st August 2001 two new crop formations were reported near Chilbolton radio telescope in Hampshire, UK. Both were very impressive looking and consisted of a large number of small 'pixels', which when viewed from the air formed a recognisable shape - unlike many other crop formations.
One represented a 'human face' and the other resembled a radio transmission that SETI (the Search for Extra-Terrestrial Intelligence) sent from the Arecibo radio telescope in 1974. This latter formation will be examined in this article, in which I hope to not only describe and explain the original transmission, but also to examine and decode a number of significant changes occurring in the crop formation.
After speaking to witnesses, it would appear that the 'Arecibo' formation was created on August 20th. Although I could roughly make out the binary pattern of the formation from aerial photographs, some aspects were not quite clear enough to discern individual 'digits'. Therefore I visited both formations myself (they are about 200m apart in the same field) on Saturday 25th August 2001.

The Arecibo message
First, I will give some background to the original message sent from Arecibo, back in 1974.
Arecibo is on the northern coast of Puerto Rico and contains a natural disc-shaped hole in the rock. Inside this bowl was constructed the world's largest radio-telescope, with a diameter of 1000 feet.
In 1974 a number of modifications had been carried out to the transmitter, enabling it to broadcast signals at a power of up to 20 terawatts (1 terawatt = 1 trillion watts) and as an inaugural test of these improvements it was decided by SETI to transmit an encoded message to the heavens. This signal was aimed towards the globular star cluster M13, some 25,000 light years away and consisting of some 300,000 stars in the constellation of Hercules.
The message was actually transmitted on November 16th 1974 and consisted of 1679 pulses of binary code (0's and 1's) - which took a little under three minutes to transmit. It was transmitted on a frequency of 2380MHz (which is significant later).

Why 1679 digits?
The reason for this is down to mathematics. 1679 is the unique product of two prime numbers; 23 and 73. Any sufficiently intelligent lifeform would no doubt look for unique, universal constructs - such as prime numbers, chemical element frequencies and binary digits. Don't forget that because we could be trying to communicate with an intelligence completely different to our own, we cannot talk in terms of 'human' systems, such as centimetres, feet, decimal numbers etc.
Because ONLY the two prime numbers 23 and 73, when multiplied together, produce 1679 there can only be a single way to arrange the signal, if you were converting it into a matrix grid - 23 squares by 73 squares.
The original binary code is shown in figure 1.


Binary coding....
In order to fully understand the message encoded in the transmission, it's essential to understand the binary code. This is actually much simpler than our base 10, decimal system. Whereas in base 10 we count from 1 to 9 and then carry 1 into the 10's column and start again in the units column, until we've got 9 in the 10's column and 9 in the units column. Then we have to carry 1 into the 100's column and start again in the 10's and units columns, and so on and so on.
In binary each column goes up in powers of 2, hence the columns are units, 2's, 4's, 8's, 16's etc. Because we can only deal in 1's and 0's, we rapidly move up through the columns - because as soon as we exceed 1 we carry into the next column. For an example of counting in binary, see the table to the right.


To go back to the original transmission of binary pulses (fig.1), by converting it into 23 columns of 73 rows we get the matrix shown in figure 2 (left).

You can now see a graphical pattern depicted by the 1's and 0's of the code. For clarity I've converted this into black squares (representing 1's) and white (empty) squares (representing 0's). You can see that viewing it like this, makes the actual message a lot clearer, as shown below, in figure 3.


This is where a slight puzzle becomes visible. By performing the steps described above, the literal translation of the original pulses is on the left of figure 3. However, the image printed in a couple of my books is that shown on the right of figure 3. This is an exact left-right mirror image of my decoding. I suspect that this is possibly an error which went un-noticed when the book went to print - although I have checked two books which both depict the same pattern as shown on the right of figure 3.

The pattern which occurred in the Chilbolton crop field, is the same image as shown in the books (ie. the one on the right of fig.3 and the mirror image of the original decoding). This could imply that IF someone hoaxed the formation, they copied the incorrect pattern printed in a book. Alternatively, I may have converted the original pulses by mapping left to right when converting into a 23x73 grid, instead of going from right to left - which personally doesn't seem correct to my interpretation of the original binary sequence.
If anyone can explain this discrepancy, I would love to hear your comments. However, for the purposes of the rest of this article I shall refer to the pattern physically laid in the crop field. The results are the same because the actual code remains unchanged irrespective of whether it's the original or a mirror image anyway - as the binary coding remains unaltered.

Decoding the original message

The original message was comprised of several 'sections', each depicting a particular aspect of 'our civilisation'. At the top are binary representations of the numbers one through to ten, interestingly showing the numbers eight, nine and ten as two columns. This shows anyone decoding the message that we can specify that numbers too large to be written on a single line can be 'carried over'.

The next section contains the binary values 1,6,7,8 and 15 which indicate the atomic numbers of the primary elements for life on Earth; Hydrogen, Carbon, Nitrogen, Oxygen and Phosphorus respectively.
The same binary codes are then used to represent the formulas for the sugar-phosphate backbone of DNA, illustrated in the next, larger section. Beneath this is a graphical representation of our DNA 'double helix' either side of a binary value of the number of nucleotides in DNA.

Directly below the DNA double helix is a small representation of us - humans - with a body and two arms and two legs (like a little stick man). On the left is a binary value of the population of Earth. I calculate this as approx 1.8 billion (which seems a little low, even for the population back in 1974). On the right of the humanoid form is a binary code for the height of humans. Because we cannot communicate in 'human' measurements (such as feet and inches) the height is represented in 'wavelength units'. As mentioned earlier, the actual message was transmitted on 2380MHz. To convert this into a wavelength we divide into 300, to obtain a wavelength in metres. 300/2380 = 0.12605042m = 12.6cm. This is our 'wavelength unit'.

From the code for the height of a human, we can see that the value is 1110 in binary, or 14 in decimal. If we multiply 14 by our wavelength unit (12.6) we get 176.4cm, or roughly 5'9" - the average height of humans.
The next section is a simplified representation of our Solar System - where we live. It shows the sun and nine planets, roughly representative of size. By moving the third planet up slightly it highlights that something is significant about the third planet from the sun - Earth.

The last section depicts the origin of the message itself - the Arecibo radio telescope, which is the curved structure. Underneath this, as the last two lines of the message, is another binary number. This time it's 100101111110 (split onto two lines in the centre) and equates to 2430 in decimal. Again, using our universal 'wavelength units' we get 2430*12.6cm which is 30618cm - or approx 1000', the diameter of the Arecibo radio dish.

What's different in the Crop Formation?
After extensive analysis I have discovered nine major discrepancies between what we see in the crop field at Chilbolton and the original message that we transmitted to the stars in 1974. I shall leave any interpretation until later, but for now just highlight the differences. The exact detail of these changes couldn't be confirmed until I actually visited the formation on the ground, in order to accurately check the binary code - reading flattened crop as a 0 and standing crop squares as 1's.
Rather than point out the differences in order of importance or anything, I shall merely start at the top of the pattern and work downwards.


The numbers 1 to 10 appear exactly the same in the formation.
However the atomic numbers indicating the prevalent elements making up life on Earth, has an additional value inserted into the binary sequence. This is precisely added in the correct location, and in the original binary code (therefore it can't be a mistake). Decoding from the crop formation, this additional element has an atomic number of 14 = Silicon.

Moving down, the next change is an obvious one - consisting of an extra strand on the left side of the DNA double-helix. Another, less obvious, change is in the binary coding of the number of nucleotides in DNA itself (in the center). If you look in the diagram above, I've highlighted the changes more accurately on the right, by using red squares and outlines to indicate which 'digits' have been changed in the crop formation.
There are quite significant changes to the shape of the humanoid, which becomes almost 'alien-like' and to the diagram of the Arecibo dish. For clarity, I've not bothered going over these in red because the differences are easily apparent.

Either side of what is now an ET, there are changes to both the 'population' figure and also the height value. The latter is now 1000 in binary, or 8. If we multiply this by the original 'wavelength unit' we get 8*12.6cm = 100.8cm which is roughly 3'4" - interesting, because this would correlate with ET witness accounts.
Below this we notice additional changes to the Solar System chart. The third planet from the sun is not the only one 'highlighted' now. The fourth and fifth are as well. The fifth even appears to be emphasised even more, with three additional 'pixels'.

Lastly, what was representative of the Arecibo transmitter in the original message is even more cryptic and would imply a diagrammatic version of the formation which appeared in the same field at Chilbolton last year, in 2000. This can be viewed in my database, reference uk00ee.
The binary code for the size of the transmitter is also altered. I'll leave the reader to work out the new value....

What does it all mean?
I am hesitant to make too much of an interpretation myself, preferring to share the research and information with which to enable readers to continue the search for answers and further their own knowledge.
However, there are some fairly obvious implications from the crop formation. First, and quite obvious from the aerial view is the shape of the ET figure. This clearly has the little stick-like body with two arms and two legs, but has a much larger head and two distinct eyes. This is almost reminiscent of the 'Greys' of popular UFO culture. Indeed, the modified 'height' code corresponding to just over three feet would also confirm this aspect.

If you decode the 'population' binary sequence in the actual crop formation you get a value of approx 8.5 billion - a lot bigger than the original transmission, and indeed Earth's current population? Perhaps this is the population of their own planet, or even the combined human and ET population of Earth - if you believe, like some researchers, that Earth is already populated by an unseen ET contingency?? I leave this for the reader to decide.

There is also some indication of a change in the basic DNA structure of ET. The additional (third) strand shown on the left and also a change in the number of nucleotides indicates a different DNA to ours. It seems quite similar to ours, so perhaps it's a genetic alteration or even a mutation of ours?

The difference in the Solar System information could indicate one of two scenarios; Either it still refers to our own Solar System, but in addition to highlighting Earth is also highlighting the fourth and fifth planets - Mars and Jupiter. Of course, the additional highlight on the 'fifth planet' could actually refer to the asteroid belt which lies between Mars and Jupiter and is in reality the 'fifth element' from the sun. Alternatively, it might not correspond to our own Solar System at all, but to the ET's own solar system - which would also appear to consist of nine planets. The sun is also depicted in the crop formation as slightly smaller. Could this be their smaller sun, or could it be supposed to represent some point in our own future - perhaps when the sun has become smaller and we've populated the other planets? This latter idea, although highly speculative, could even indicate the DNA modification through increased genetic experiments....?

The representation of last years formation in place of the Arecibo dish is possibly the most difficult to interpret. It could indicate a number of things, or merely indicate that ET saw the formation of last year and saw that as representative of the home of the message - ie Chilbolton.
However, if you look at the whole message on a more philosophical level, it's all centred around communication - and notifying the heavens of our existence. Could the representation of a crop circle (the shape, merely chosen because it was the one at the same 'home' location of the message) be to indicate that crop circles are indeed a form of communication? Irrespective of the origin of this formation, you cannot dispute the fact that people the world-over are communicating more because of their crop circle experiences!

Lastly, one significant difference that I also find very intriguing, and which I can exclusively reveal for the first time, concerns the table at the top containing the atomic numbers. The crop circle has an additional column added. However, as mentioned above, it's not an error because it's re-encoded and inserted in the correct sequence. Silicon? Could this be an additional pointer to the physiology of ET? Perhaps ET is a silicon based lifeform instead of carbon based, like us?

I haven't fully explained every discrepancy, merely because I'm deliberately keeping a couple of subtle aspects back so that we can ask for further explanation, should anyone claim it as a hoax.
I should point out at this point that the actual quality of the formation on the ground was remarkably good. However, it did appear to have been flattened in terms of a grid - ie. going across the formation and down the formation. The nearby 'face' formation was more elaborate in terms of the ground lay, as each individual circle appeared to have been swirled separately to the rest of the formation, indicated by a smooth swirl of crop around each circle, instead of being brushed across the formation, forming pathways between each circle.
However, both formations would represent an immense effort required in order to portray what we see in the field and from the air. To create either within the constraints of a few hours of darkness is extremely impressive irrespective of their origin; terrestrial or extra-terrestrial.
Again, irrespective of origin, both have taught me personally a great deal about SETI, human physiology, binary encoding and more importantly - communication, both in transcribing this for you the reader, as well as academic conversations I've had with people as a result of doing this analysis.

While reading this, I hope that you feel the sense of wonder and learning that I felt whilst writing it.
As always, comments and feedback are welcome.
Paul Vigay, 26th August 2001

http://www.timestar.org/ccchilbolton.htm
The representation of last years formation in place of the Arecibo dish is possibly the most difficult to interpret. It could indicate a number of things, or merely indicate that ET saw the formation of last year and saw that as representative of the home of the message - ie Chilbolton

De afbeelding komt overeen met die in een graancirkel die precies een jaar daarvoor op dezelfde plaats is verschenen:

Zoals zo veel graancirkels is dit een fractale tetrahedron, het fundament van het universum.
En nadat wij geantwoord hebben met de vraag "What do we need to know?" verscheen exact een jaar na de boodschap deze afbeelding:

Opnieuw een binaire code, deze luidt: “Beware the bearers of FALSE gifts & their BROKEN PROMISES. Much PAIN but still time. BELIEVE. There is GOOD out there. We OPpose DECEPTION. COnduit CLOSING, (BELL SOUND).”
Voor meer uitleg over de fractale tetrahedron zie http://vip.partyflock.nl/flocktopic/87233:Nassim_Haramein_Unified_Field_Theory_video
laatste aanpassing
En wat zeggen we dan?!?
 
Artiest Bladezzz
Uitspraak van Coming soon op maandag 10 november 2008 om 12:50:
Voor meer uitleg

Dit is niet genoeg..? :frusty:
 
veel te veel text.

hou het straat(y)
 
Uitspraak van Bobje op maandag 10 november 2008 om 12:53:
En wat zeggen we dan?!?

Te veel tekst:rot:
 
Normaal ben ik iemand die wel redelijke stukken text leest, maar dit is gewoon TE lang :x
Uitspraak van Bobje op maandag 10 november 2008 om 12:53:
En wat zeggen we dan?!?

Uitspraak van verwijderd op maandag 10 november 2008 om 12:54:
te veel text.

Heerlijk voorspelbaar :respect:
 
dude je hebt zojuist het record gebroken voor langste post ooit :gaap:

in de tijd die ik nodig heb om dat te lezen is ET al lang met pensioen
Uitspraak van verwijderd op maandag 10 november 2008 om 12:53:
Voor meer uitleg

Dit is niet genoeg..?

Bovenstaande is uitleg over het principe van de communicatie, niet over de inhoud.
Uitspraak van verwijderd op maandag 10 november 2008 om 12:54:
veel te veel text.

Samenvatting:

Mens aan ET:
Hallo, wij bestaan uit koolstof, dit is onze Periodieke Tafel Der Elementen, we hebben twee DNA-strengen, een groot lichaam met een klein hoofd, we bewonen de derde planeet van ons zonnestelsel en dit is onze radiotelescoop.

ET aan mens:
Aangenaam, wij bestaan uit koolstof en silicium, Onze Tafel ziet er zo uit (iets uitgebreider), we hebben drie DNA-strengen, een klein lichaam met een groot hoofd, we bewonen de derde, vierde en vijfde planeet van ons zonnestelsel en dit is het geheim van het universum.
 
Stelletje kunstenaars die aliens.
 
Uitspraak van Coming soon op maandag 10 november 2008 om 12:59:
Aangenaam, wij bestaan uit koolstof en silicium, Onze Tafel ziet er zo uit (iets uitgebreider), we hebben drie DNA-strengen, een klein lichaam met een groot hoofd, we bewonen de derde, vierde en vijfde planeet van ons zonnestelsel en dit is het geheim van het universum.

en hoe worden die cirkels gemaakt? met hun graancirkelstraal apparaat?
en wanneer komen ze? ik wil wel dat ze wat moderne techniek meenemen .. zo lijkt een carriere op de enterprise me wel wat. dus laat ze ff opschieten voordat ik er te oud voor ben :X
Vraag me altijd af wie er meer vrijetijd hebben. De mensen die die cirkels maken of de mensen die zich er op internet mee bezig houden. :D
He just Wanna Phone Home :S
 
apart .. en bizar
 
Nassim Haramein - Unified Field Theory (video)


Physicist Nassim Haramein talks about unlocking the truth to Sacred geometry, fractals, the Mayan calendar and 2012, Crop Circles, cabalistic traditions, chakras, Sun Gods, God. Jesus and Freemasonry (more specifically, the Knights of Templar).

Basically, Nassim found out that everything boils down to a tetrahedron and the singularity. If you never felt comfortable with religion, just wait until Nassim explained it. Now, it all makes sense and it's absolutely fascinating!

The video is over 8 hours long, but isn't that time well spent to find out the truth? You'll look at meditation from a whole new angle after watching this video.

Please find the time to watch this video, even if it's just an hour at a time. It'll be the best time you ever invested into anything!

A Real Eyeopener!

Nassim Haramein at the Rogue Valley Metaphysical Library

Part 1:


Part 2:



Notes taken from reading:

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The Star of David inside a circle = a circle with a double polarity inside of it.

What is infinity? You can divide to infinity within the confine of a circle. Every one of our cells have infinite potential and connectivity to everything else. It has infinite mass. Everything consists of 99.9999% space, including ourselves, furniture, planets, etc. This is due to the fact that an atom is 99.9999% space. In other words, the universe is connected by an unseen force.

The Two Infinities of Physics:
1. Infinity of small quantities
2. Nasty Infinity

If everything is radiating in the vacuum, the vacuum cannot be empty.

We create our own gravitational fields when gravity and space-time moves toward singularity.

Mayan Temple in Chichen Itza
Complex calculations were used to construct this temple. Most pyramids are aligned to astrological events. Legend says the rocks used were cut with copper and placed on logs which were rolled over mountains and long distances to be used in building these temples.

Why did they all build the exact same geometry in the pyramids? They knew something about foundational structure of the vacuum.

When reading the Mysteries of the Mexican Pyramids, Nassim saw a picture of a tetrahedron in a sphere and thought this must be part of the geometry of reality.

The pyramid is located at 19.47122064 latitude.

In Mexico City, all of the temples are in the exact place to describe the orbits of the solar system, including Pluto and Neptune. Pluto wasn’t discovered until the early 1900’s.

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How did they know this? The same math is used in all measurements with the sphere and tetrahedron embedded into it.

Tropic vector metrics – when the negative space was accounted for inside a tetrahedron, it formed an octahedron, which Nassim thought was the blueprint of the universe, but it wasn’t polarized so he knew there must be 2 needed to fit the equation. When this was put into a sphere and pushed together, it made the Star of David inside a circle. The central geometry is the vector equilibrium. Octahedrons are pyramids with another one below it.

Vector equilibrium is where all points are equal distance apart on the perimeter as well as from the center. A tetrahedron has 12 vectors radiating from the center equilibrium and 24 total. The numbers 12 and 24 are found in most ancient texts. When you add tetrahedrons, you get a total of 64 vectors, the same number as our DNA structure.

Fractal 3-D metrics expand and contract.

Crop Circles: What do we need to know?

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One of the first crop circles was a snowflake shaped tetrahedron (above Silbury Hill, nr Avebury, Wiltshire England 23/7-1997) . A few weeks later another tetrahedral fractal geometry circle was identified, but this one was a snowflake inside a snowflake which has the same geometry as each other – geometrically small.

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The physics of creation: an overlay of 14 tetrahedrons of a 64 tetrahedron grid.

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The most important crop circle ever to occur (above Winterbourne Bassett, Wiltshire Mid July England 1995 ): a 2-D representation of a 3-D vector equilibrium. When added together, you get the seed of life.

The laws of entropy are violated by observation.

DNA – one cell contains 6 feet of DNA information according to the Genome Project. If we put all of our personal cells together it would wrap around the world 5 million times.

Binary Code: we have been contacted.

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One crop circle (above) made the 5 o’clock news because it happened in the middle of a rain storm. It was the largest ever to occur.

In 1972, Carl Sagen created a binary code signal that was sent to the universe. The code stated we are made of carbon, this is our chart of elements, this is our DNA, we’re the 3rd planet from the sun.

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Two crop circles were the response to Sagen’s message stating “We are carbon and silicon, we have a big head and small body, we’re on the 3rd planet of our solar system and the 3rd one has 4 moons, we have 3 strands of DNA. The other crop circle contained an alien face.

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These circles were created across the street from where the signal was sent out. The reason they didn’t respond verbally to Sagen’s message is to show tangible proof of the communication instead of the possibility of the government covering it up.

One year prior to this there was a fractal tetrahedron. Exactly one year later there was a crop circle showing an alien face holding a binary cd. The binary code was deciphered as “Beware the bearers of FALSE gifts & their BROKEN PROMISES. Much PAIN but still time. BELIEVE. There is GOOD out there. We OPpose DECEPTION. COnduit CLOSING, (BELL SOUND).”

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Nassim believes there may be some additional underlying code in regard to the capitalization of the letters in the message but hasn’t figured it out yet.

When you die, not one atom will ever disappear. Your atoms are mostly black holes. Lipoprotein holds our cells together. Our cells vibrate to the speed of 10 the 11th hertz and generates a lot of energy.

You are the boundary between infinity big and infinity small. You are an extension of space looking back at itself.

There are two forces of the universe: gravity and electromagnetic. There is no more need for the string and the weak force anymore.

Physics of Waveforms
The sun moves at 200 kilometers per second. The planets follow and create a huge vortex. Every moment is a different moment because we’re moving through the geometry of space-time and every movement through every point on that spiral is on a different relationship to everything else. Each point you have left is an imprint on the space-time coordinate.

A wave is a 3-D vortex.

The galaxy and hurricane both have a singularity; a point of stillness. Everything is centered around the singularity. All suns, planets, etc have a black hole.

Meditation
Heart singularity: The heart has the highest electromagnetic field in your body. This is where the heart chakra is located.

Osirian Temple
This temple has images that weren’t carved or etched. They were laser burned into the rock which was presumed to occur over 5,000 years ago. We don’t have any current technology to reproduce this. The actual dating of this appears to be in the 9,000 to 10,000 years ago range.

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Flower of Life etching in Osirian Temple

The Osirian Temple is the foundation temple of belief systems.Osiris’ brother was jealous of Osiris and killed him. Isis found his pieces and brought him back to the temple and bandaged the pieces together to make a “mummy”. She, with her magic, put life back in Osiris’ body. She most likely did it with information that was carved on the walls of this temple. The people knew about the foundation of the geometry of space.

Temple of the Grand Pyramid of Giza

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Used 2 million stones; had a base of 13 square acres; stood 481 feet tall. The stones averages 2 tons but the ones in the King’s Chamber (at 135 feet altitude) were up to 40 tons. There is no way we can reproduce that technology today.

We were “taught” the pyramids were built by people pulling rocks on top of logs with rope vines since the 1800’s. This unproven theory became a fact and you cannot get a PhD in archaeology if you disagree with this story.

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The pyramid was said the be built in 20 years. If people worked 7 days a week, 365 days a year for 20 years, each stone would be laid once every 2 minutes. Because the Egyptians only worked 3 months per year due to climate conditions, this means it would require one stone every 2 seconds.

Inside the pyramids, all of the walls tells everything about their lifestyle, yet NO walls mentions building a pyramid. Archaeologists say the pyramids were built as tombs yet there is no evidence of this. Not one pyramid was found to host a mummy, not just in Egypt but all around the world. Most of the king’s mummies were found in the King’s valley far from the pyramids.

To enter the pyramid, dynamite was used because no one could find the entrance. The sarcophagus in the center of the pyramid contained a 40 ton slab of rock. When it was unsealed there was no mummy so the conclusion by many was it must have been grave robbers!

Pyramids were not tombs and were not built by Egyptians. No Egyptian texts say the pyramids were built by Egyptians. They were built by Sun Gods, who were also associated with the Mayans and other cultures at that time.

Sun Gods
The Sun Gods taught how to build, write, etc.

Most people think the Sphinx was built. It wasn’t. It was carved out of an enclosure of the Giza plateau. What was once a lion’s head was recarved into a Pharaoh’s head.

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The dating of this site can be traced to the time when there was a lot of rain which would be needed to carve stone like this: 10,000 years ago, which matches Osiris’ Temple. 200 ton blocks were moved at the Sphinx. We can’t do that with today’s technology in the way they did it.

In Egypt there was another statue that was knocked over somehow. The statue weighed over 1,000 tons and was made of granite. This is 5x more than we can lift today.

Who were these Sun Gods? Were they able to go all around the world?

There are underwater pyramids in Japan at 19.47 latitude. You generally can’t date pyramids but you can date the carbon on the coral reefs that grow upon them in the water. These are at least 10,000 years old which also matches the meltdown of the last ice age.

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Underwater Pyramids in Japan

There are hundreds of pyramids in China but they didn’t want the western world to know about them because the legend of the pyramids stated that the Sun Gods were blond haired and blue eyed. Which meant they were not of Chinese decent. In the Forbidden City of China there is a Sphinx, who is rumored to be the guardian of the knowledge which lies under his paw. On his paw is the sacred geometry flower of life. Since these days, the Sun God has been confused and diluted through out the ages.

Evidence of Sun Gods
In South America, skulls were found to which Nassim called “conehead”. According to ancient texts, ancient leaders, such as Tutankhamen, tried to emulate the Sun Gods to become Sun Gods themselves, by using elongating methods on his skull.

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The conhead skull had over 2x the volume as human skulls. They were estimated to stand between 12-15 feet tall and were considered the giants of earth. Carbon testing has not been done on these skulls as of this date. The Mexican skulls had even larger volume than the coneheads, showing large orbital sockets which indicate large eyes.

According to ancient script, the sun gods had children with earth women making the children half sun god and half human. These people were expected to become Pharaohs because they would have all sorts of capacities that the average man didn’t have.

There must have been sun gods in all civilizations for a reason. Nissam believes the sun gods entered our solar system through a wormhole at the singularity at the center of the black hole and used stars as gateways to go from one side of the galaxy to the other.

Many ancient traditions talk about the sun as being the doorway to the higher realm where the sun gods came from. They talk about the black hole in the center of our galaxy as the hub, the central sun from which you can access all of the stars in the galaxy.

Sunspots
Sunspots appear where the sun becomes very active, usually at the 19.47 degree latitude. Nissam discovered, contrary to prior opinion, that sun spots reflect fire being sucked into a collapsing black hole while emitting steam (H2O). Nissam also noted that multiple sun spots always occur in opposite polarity. When you have a vortex going one way in the Coriolis Effect you have another going on at another point on the opposite side. They generate a link at the middle and that link is the singularity. Sun spots are huge vortices going toward singularity at the center of the black hole. That’s why you see fire being sucked in. What’s being shot out? Water! (steam).

Most telescopes that observe the sun are owned by the VATICAN. There was a video released showing an object at least as big as the earth hitting the sun. The video was called, “Sun gazing comet hits the sun.” Astrophysicists emailed NASA and asked them about this so-called comet because it didn’t have a tail. They wanted to know what it was. NASA pulled the video from the net and later put the video back up, editing in a tail on the “comet”. When analyzed, the stars in the video are going from left to right because of the path the probe is orbiting. Some small white “dots” hit the camera lens but there is clearly one object going toward the sun against the other movements in the video. Then this object takes a 90 degree turn into the sun. “The only comet I know of (that does a 90 degree turn) has little windows in them and little guys waving.” The “comet” entered the sun at 19.47 degrees latitude showing a plasma ejection coming out of the entry spot. A spaceship the size of the earth needs to go into a black hole bigger than their ship size, hence the sun. Smaller ships can come and go through sun spots in the earth such as volcanoes.

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Volcanoes might not be what we think they are. At 19.47 latitude, there is a string of volcanoes in Hawaii, which also hosts the most active volcanoes activity on earth. In Mexico, at the 19.47 latitude, the Mexican government trained their pilots to avoid these routes in Mexico City near volcanoes when planes land.

The largest volcano in our solar system is on Mars at the 19.47 latitude.

A comet almost 2x the size of Jupiter (the largest planet in our solar system) recently passed through our solar system but was never reported on main stream media because the scientists and astrologists “thought we were toast”. This comet, which Nissim believes was Nibiru, should have disrupted our solar system due to its mass and gravitational pull. Mercury should have been pulled into the sun while earth should have experienced tidal waves all over the planet. The comet was on track to hit the sun, but a huge sun flare emission veered the comet off course, as it traveled past the sun and out of our solar system. This was visible from the west coast in the early morning in February 2002. Two comets have gone by inside the orbit of Mercury into the sun.

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Something bounced of the sun

Considering the mass and gravitational pull of these objects, “We shouldn’t be here. We were given a second chance. We’re floating in grace and ‘somebody’ is taking care of us.” In a few days, Nibiru was out of our solar system. With a “comet” of this size, the gravitational force was enormous.

The sun has a cycle in which the sun flips its poles every 11 years. When this happens the sun generates huge x-ray emissions due to material being sucked into a black hole. Our sun is currently approaching the solar maximum which will occur in 2012. The sun spots were supposed to become fewer during that second half of the past solar maximum but as of the date of this video (2003) more sun spots than ever before, some days over 200 per day, were occurring. Since the days of Galileo, we haven’t seen anything like it.

The end date of the Mayan Calendar is 12-21-2012. We are approaching a time where we’re going to move into what the Mayans call the “6th Sun”. The sun has started to pulse huge electromagnetic pulse emissions of negative ion production from the sun.

This is NOT the result of global warming The Aurora Borealis is the result of plasma being thrown out of the sun and caught in the earth’s magnetic field, then funneled in at the north and south poles of the earth. This effect is currently expanding and can occasionally be seen as far south (or north) as the equator.

The surface of Jupiter is starting to ignite. During the 6th sun in the Inca and Mayan traditions it is mentioned that at the next stage of evolution there will be two suns.

Consciousness

The sun activity is affecting human consciousness, there’s no doubt about it. Nissim states, “Don’t worry if what you say is completely misinterpreted; Don’t worry if you get yelled at; Just try to let it flow and let it go. Everything is going to be in a state of flux.”

“If you are aware of these changes that are going on in the solar system, you can actually start to synchronize your resonance pattern. You can focus your energy to it by intent. That might sound very esoteric but I think there is some validity to this meaning that you allow the change to happen in your body so you can adapt to the changes that are occurring in our environment.”

DNA

“I think this amount of information…this amount of energy is going to change our DNA structure very quickly and we have to be aware of that and allow that to happen and go into sympathetic resonance with that. If we resist that, there’s a chance we are going to get extremely sick.”

“Everybody has their own mission. Everybody is here this time to do something very specific to assist in this change that we’re going through. For me, it’s to bring a unified view of the universe and bring a technology that will help us transition through these changes. For you and many others, it might be completely different in (being) supportive of each other. But basically, it is to go into your (chakra) center to find your mission…to find what you’re here to do. There’s something that you’re here to do that going to help the world. Commit to it, whatever is necessary to get it done because there is very little time left.”

The Bible
“I had an aversion (to the Bible) from my childhood. I had terrible experiences with the catholic Church. It was like school. I really didn’t want to look at it. I was determined to study all of the other religions first. I’ve given week long seminars and even in the week, I don’t have time to go through all this stuff.

I went to my local church and I actually “borrowed” it (the Bible). I was thinking, ‘What is this whole thing about?” I started to study it deeper and deeper. I was kind of stunned to find out that Newton had spent almost 20 years studying ancient cabalistic esoteric tradition long before he wrote anything on physics.

Actually, there’s a book of his memoirs that says all of the physics that he wrote, he pulled directly from the study of the cabalistic traditions. Most people don’t know that. And he actually made a whole map of the floor plan of the Temple of Solomon because he felt that if we could understand the floor plan of the Temple of Solomon, we could understand the foundation of the universe. He was convinced, that bedded in the cabalistic tradition…in the ancient Jewish tradition, there was the key to be found of creation. So he dug for many years and he extrapolated all of his laws of physics out of them. He obviously didn’t understand some of the foundations of a cabalistic tradition which eliminates the possibility for a closed system.

So I got a Bible. One thing I knew is that, from what I remember from my education from the Catholic Church, God according to the Catholic Church was an old man with a beard, sitting on a throne somewhere with a pair of binoculars and a 2x4 and every time you screwed up, he’d hit you behind the head. I was kind of terrified of that God very early in my life.

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So when I started my research, I was kind of surprised to find out that actually the throne of God in Judaic tradition is not described as an old man with a beard sitting on a throne but actually as a throne with a tetrahedron on it. I thought, ‘whoa, that’s different!’

And then there was like 7 angels radiating into that tetrahedron. All the way through this investigation it was clear to me that if you understand the structure of the vacuum… the structure of the foundation of creation… you can reproduce it in the technology which creates the resonance pattern between the geometry space (the geometry of the structure of the vacuum) and the technology itself. If you could create that resonance link of the sun, then you would download a huge amount of energy from the vacuum itself.

You build a mini black hole. To build such a mini black hole you’d probably need crystals because crystals, appropriately cut and appropriately resonated, would be the perfect material to make that link since crystal molecules are actually tetrahedral. The crystal molecules are very coherent if you have good crystals and if they were cut in the appropriate geometry of the 64 tetrahedron grid. With the right gases involved, you could create those types of dynamics.

I believe that many “New Age” people remember the power of the crystal because they remember that technology.”

Atlantis

“The first person that talked about Atlantis was Plato. Plato is, and was, extremely respected. We’ve used most of Plato’s stuff except the three books he wrote about Atlantis. When he wrote these books, in all of them he mentions that this is not some story. This is factual. He says he got it from the high priests in Egypt.

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Plato's Atlantis

He describes a very advanced civilization that has a source of power they call a crystal of extreme power. I believe that this is the crystal that can be built to create a link to the geometry of space.

UFO’s and God

I was starting to read the Bible and I was finding these places of the description of God. With it cam words like, ‘the throne of God was the crystal seat… Many references to crystal.

The story of Ezekiel and Enoch, which is not a book of the Bible... (The book of) Enoch was found in Ethiopia (and) was never re-edited. It was translated directly from the original text. In both these accounts they described some kind of ship that shows up in a big cloud and then they say a door opens and God called me onto his ‘boat’. Inside it described the throne of God as crystals with rainbows all around them. I think he was describing the power, the drive of that ship.

As I read the Bible, I realized something I never noticed before. Most of the bible, the Old Testament, is describing that something is very, very strange. When the Old Testament talks about God, it doesn’t say, ‘and God,’ it says, ‘in the Ark of the Covenant of God.’

It turns out that the whole Old Testament is describing the comings and goings of the arks of the covenant, except for Genesis which described the start.

Even when you read Genesis in the context of what we saw today you find that actually it’s describing something very similar to the account of Atlantis given by Plato. A civilization that develops a very advanced technology and that allows them to live very, very long.

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Atlantis

In the bible there’s chapter after chapter describing people living 600 and 800 years. Eventually society was flooded, which is what Plato said happened to Atlantis. So actually, Genesis could be an account of Atlantis.

I realized that the Temple of Solomon was built for only one purpose: to host the Ark of Covenant at its center. The holiest of holy. The power of power, the ark. I didn’t think that the Judaic tradition was about the same object that they called the seat of God.

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In Genesis, it talks about the tree of knowledge, Adam and Eve (and) the apple. Interestingly, if you cut an apple in half you get a double torus with a seed in the middle which contains the possibility for another whole apple tree. The singularity, which has apples and the singularity and apples and singularity and apples… and so on.

Genesis 4:24: When man began to increase on the earth…

This describes the sons of God that came to earth, so they were not from the earth and had children with the women of the earth. I started to realize, ‘wait a minute, was this planetary system seeded?’

In anthropology, we’re missing a huge link between the ancient Neanderthal and so on, and the modern homo sapien. That link that we’re missing is getting wider and wider (the) more records we get. There’s new skulls that have been discovered that makes it harder for that link to make.

Moses and the battle of Manifestations

So I continued to read and came across something that really perked my ears. It was the crossing of the sea

Exodus 13:22

Moses was leaving and all of a sudden the Pharaoh changes his mind (and went after him (Moses). When the Pharaoh wasn’t going to let him go, there was this whole thing where Moses and the other high priests of Egypt were having a battle of manifestations. The ones that could manifest the wildest, craziest things was going to win. They had frogs raining from the sky, he threw his staff down and it turned into a snake, he got blood to flow through the city and all this stuff. But he (Moses) won that contest.

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Ark of the Covenant is really a ….
As I look at the Ark of the Covenant in the bible, the ark that they call the ark of God, they give dimensions of that box. It’s like a box-like object that’s got gold on the outside, wood in the middle and gold on the inside. Well, that’s a capacitor. A capacitor is an object that holds energy when you charge it. Just like a battery, it holds energy except that a battery can only discharge the energy very slowly. A capacitor can discharge the energy in an instant.

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So I thought, ‘That’s a really large capacitor. It would have really high voltage and be quite heavy, extremely heavy. In fact, it would be way too heavy to lift up with two flimsy poles.’ It would weigh over 3 tons because of all the gold on it. I noticed that the dimensions of a box that was found in the remains of King Tut in Egypt. Then I noticed that those boxes were the exact appropriate boxes to fir inside the sarcophagus inside the Grand Pyramid of Giza, meaning that the box size is the perfect fit so that you can lower the ark inside the sarcophagus, inside the Grand Pyramid and then push the poles without having to touch the capacitor, which would zap the crap out of you.

The outside dimensions of the sarcophagus are twice the volume of the inside dimension. It’s a perfect octave. If you measure the ark that’s described in the Bible, that’s again, twice smaller than the inside measurement of the sarcophagus.

I started to think, ‘What would you want to carry in a capacitor like that?’ There must have been some extremely powerful energy source, energy device inside the capacitor. Moses supposedly didn’t build that capacitor until he was on the other side of the Red Sea at Mount Sinai.

What do they mean by “God”?

Look in the preface of the bible. The word is translated from the word tetragrammaton. Tetra means 4 and “grammadon” has a root word of grammar. This was thought to mean Yahweh but I dug deeper. It actually means grav, or in today’s terminology, gravity.

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God = ‘The structure of a tetrahedron creating a gravitational effect.”

God and Secret Societies

God is a representation in cabalistic tradition. This tradition was not to be written or talked about. Only initiates could learn of this knowledge. It was thought to be the nature of God that revealed and if you understood it, you could understand God.

The Jewish numbers are as important as the letters, adding to 72. This is a male God, we’re missing half of the equation. We need a female Goddess which doubles the number to 144, which is the number of ascension in Revelation.

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First Light: An Introduction to Meru Foundation Research by Stan Tenen

The bible speaks of new Jerusalem as a crystal city with rainbows all around it with faces of 144. There are 144 faces on the outside of a 64 tetrahedron.

A black sun was given to man by the sun gods.

Moses followed the ark for 40 years. After Moses died, Joshua arrives at Jordan (Joshua 4:22). Moses didn’t part the Red Sea, the ark did.

The cabalistic tree is the key to all of foundation, representing the tree of knowledge. There was a crop circle with a cabalistic tree formation.

Jesus
Jesus’ name was actually Emmanuel and was thought to be the living ark. It’s believed he was born within the field of the ark and had an advanced DNA structure. It is also suggested that he was revived by using the Ark of the Covenant.

Dead Sea Scrolls
3000 scrolls were found but only 100 were released to the public. One was written in copper which was determined to be the purest copper ever discovered on earth.

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It’s believed they were done like this so they would survive the test of time.

Secret Societies Origination
The Old Testament revealed advanced technology and the power of the sun gods, along with Atlantis. The New Testament is about the living ark. One must have purity of heart and intent to be with the ark. It’s a fail-safe system and can’t be used for destruction. If you do (use it for destruction), you’ll die. Many have tried to use the ark for ill intent and died from severe tumors.

The Knights of Templar
The Knights of Templar (KoT) were symbolized as 2 Knights on a horse because they were poor.

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They were commissioned by a Cathar (sp?) priest to look for the ark, which was thought to be in Jerusalem. They convinced France to take over Jerusalem which began the Crusades. It was originally called the Holy Grail in the 1st edition, then it was called the Crystal Stone, shown as a cup with 2 vortices on its side.

They fought all the way to Jerusalem and took over the city. For seven years, the KoT dug tunnels looking for the buried ark. These tunnels are still there today. They found nothing.

While they were there, the King of Ethiopia was there, exiled in Jerusalem. The King stated, “I have the ark in Ethiopia.”

In Ethiopia, there is a high population of Jewish tradition. The ark was said to be on Elephantine Island on the Nile. Where ever you find an ancient temple, (it means that) the ark was there. The ark was brought to Zion in Ethiopia and was heavily guarded by the Ethiopian Army.

The KoT had to talk about the ark as magic, otherwise the Vatican would have been upset about the KoT looking for it. Around this time, many books were published on “magic” and the KoT became powerful and rich though these books.

The Pope worried that the ark would become public knowledge, so he met with the King of France and the Ethiopian delegation at the Vatican to discuss the KoT involvement with the ark. This was around the 13th century.

On Friday the 13th, the KoT were declared illegal by the Pope.

Freemasons and the KoT’s knowledge comes from ancient Egypt. The 32nd level is the highest level. The 33rd level is a complimentary initiation level.

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KoT highest level = 32
Freemasons highest level = 32
32 + 32 = 64

The Freemasons later went on to found the US and it’s symbolism is found in structures such as the Washington Monument and the Pentagon, which is a star tetrahedron. The $1 bill has a pyramid with an eye on it and also shows a star tetrahedron along 13 stars.

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Source: Maya12-21-2012.com
 
:lol:
en het is ook nog eens in het engels...
 
Uitspraak van Carnophage op maandag 10 november 2008 om 13:07:
Vraag me altijd af wie er meer vrijetijd hebben. De mensen die die cirkels maken of de mensen die zich er op internet mee bezig houden.

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:lol: ik vroeg me al af wanneer de dollar en de NWO erbij gehaald werd..

en al dat getover met die getallen :roflol: zo kan iedereen met getallen wel zijn verhaal passend maken
 
ik zei:

HOU HET STRAAT(Y)!!
 
Uitspraak van Coming soon op maandag 10 november 2008 om 12:50:
The Chilbolton 'Arecibo message', made in August 2001, is one of the most controversial and interesting of all crop circles. It introduces a new element of binary code with a discrete message into a 30-year pattern of geometric designs with non-specific messages. Paul Vigay's article written after he personally visited the formation site and posted on his Crop Circle Research web site is reproduced below.

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The Chilbolton (2001) formations are consistent with the pattern of slow escalation in crop circle and extraterrestrial messages. Crop circle appearances were nearly unnoticed for about 20 years, from around 1971 until 1991. During this initial 20 years, simple circles and lines in formations were uncannily similar to the designs that Carl Jung wrote about in his 1957 treatise, Flying Saucers: A Modern Myth Of Things Seen In The Sky. Jung noted that the symbolism associated with UFO reports [and later seen in crop circles] were the same symbols found at the deepest levels of the psyche. When traditionalists concluded that the similarities between symbols in UFO reports and the psyche must mean that UFO's are projections of the psyche, Jung responded that until we can explain how projections of the psyche register on radar at speeds of 3,000 miles an hour we must look for other explanations.

After two retired Englishmen (Doug and Dave) claimed in 1991 to have "thunk up" crop circle designs for laughs while drinking beer in an English pub, crop circle designs immediately became more complex with mathematical messages that included Gerald Hawkins' discovering a new "Euclidean" in the ratios of crop circle elements. In this same period, Doug and Dave admitted they were not responsible for early crop circles when confronted with the evidence of crop circles dating to 1971 when they had previously claimed to have been making the designs only since 1978. Further, Doug and Dave admitted they had not plotted crop circle designs in Avebury near Stonehenge where the greatest number of crop circles had appeared.

Copycat designs of circles, lines and triangles flourished in the 1990's and were eventually commissioned by commercial interests as advertising schemes. The Chilbolton crop circle with its explicit message set a new pace in crop circle designs with a stunning response to message sent by radio telescope by the federally funded Search For Extraterrestrial Intelligence (SETI) in 1974.
In this single message the mathematical basis of crop circle designs accelerated to new levels in two formations made next to the Chilbolton radio telescope in England. The complexity and explicit mathematical message of the design defied capabilities of drunks working alone in the dark of night with straight-forward but distinct changes in the binary code to the message SETI sent in 1974.

These features are particularly important because copycats are exactly that. They are copycats who copy designs of genuinely mysterious formations but never produced the cellular changes caused by rapid, high heating with electromagnetic anomalies in genuine formations.

Similarities between the earliest crop circle designs and symbolism reported in UFO reports that Carl Jung wrote about are striking. Incremental phases of accelerated activity in UFO sightings, that researchers call UFO waves, and developmental phases in crop circle designs are comparable. Like the UFO phenomenon, hoaxers and copycats follow the pace set in genuinely mysterious events. The Chilbolton crop circles are most likely genuine formations that set the pace for a new phase of crop circle designs that undoubtedly will be seen in future copycats.

Crop Circle Research Database

The Chilbolton 'Arecibo message' Formation, 2001 (uk01dm)
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Field Report:
by Paul Vigay - 26th Aug 2001

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On Tuesday 21st August 2001 two new crop formations were reported near Chilbolton radio telescope in Hampshire, UK. Both were very impressive looking and consisted of a large number of small 'pixels', which when viewed from the air formed a recognisable shape - unlike many other crop formations.
One represented a 'human face' and the other resembled a radio transmission that SETI (the Search for Extra-Terrestrial Intelligence) sent from the Arecibo radio telescope in 1974. This latter formation will be examined in this article, in which I hope to not only describe and explain the original transmission, but also to examine and decode a number of significant changes occurring in the crop formation.
After speaking to witnesses, it would appear that the 'Arecibo' formation was created on August 20th. Although I could roughly make out the binary pattern of the formation from aerial photographs, some aspects were not quite clear enough to discern individual 'digits'. Therefore I visited both formations myself (they are about 200m apart in the same field) on Saturday 25th August 2001.

The Arecibo message
First, I will give some background to the original message sent from Arecibo, back in 1974.
Arecibo is on the northern coast of Puerto Rico and contains a natural disc-shaped hole in the rock. Inside this bowl was constructed the world's largest radio-telescope, with a diameter of 1000 feet.
In 1974 a number of modifications had been carried out to the transmitter, enabling it to broadcast signals at a power of up to 20 terawatts (1 terawatt = 1 trillion watts) and as an inaugural test of these improvements it was decided by SETI to transmit an encoded message to the heavens. This signal was aimed towards the globular star cluster M13, some 25,000 light years away and consisting of some 300,000 stars in the constellation of Hercules.
The message was actually transmitted on November 16th 1974 and consisted of 1679 pulses of binary code (0's and 1's) - which took a little under three minutes to transmit. It was transmitted on a frequency of 2380MHz (which is significant later).

Why 1679 digits?
The reason for this is down to mathematics. 1679 is the unique product of two prime numbers; 23 and 73. Any sufficiently intelligent lifeform would no doubt look for unique, universal constructs - such as prime numbers, chemical element frequencies and binary digits. Don't forget that because we could be trying to communicate with an intelligence completely different to our own, we cannot talk in terms of 'human' systems, such as centimetres, feet, decimal numbers etc.
Because ONLY the two prime numbers 23 and 73, when multiplied together, produce 1679 there can only be a single way to arrange the signal, if you were converting it into a matrix grid - 23 squares by 73 squares.
The original binary code is shown in figure 1.
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Binary coding....
In order to fully understand the message encoded in the transmission, it's essential to understand the binary code. This is actually much simpler than our base 10, decimal system. Whereas in base 10 we count from 1 to 9 and then carry 1 into the 10's column and start again in the units column, until we've got 9 in the 10's column and 9 in the units column. Then we have to carry 1 into the 100's column and start again in the 10's and units columns, and so on and so on.
In binary each column goes up in powers of 2, hence the columns are units, 2's, 4's, 8's, 16's etc. Because we can only deal in 1's and 0's, we rapidly move up through the columns - because as soon as we exceed 1 we carry into the next column. For an example of counting in binary, see the table to the right.
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To go back to the original transmission of binary pulses (fig.1), by converting it into 23 columns of 73 rows we get the matrix shown in figure 2 (left).
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You can now see a graphical pattern depicted by the 1's and 0's of the code. For clarity I've converted this into black squares (representing 1's) and white (empty) squares (representing 0's). You can see that viewing it like this, makes the actual message a lot clearer, as shown below, in figure 3.
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This is where a slight puzzle becomes visible. By performing the steps described above, the literal translation of the original pulses is on the left of figure 3. However, the image printed in a couple of my books is that shown on the right of figure 3. This is an exact left-right mirror image of my decoding. I suspect that this is possibly an error which went un-noticed when the book went to print - although I have checked two books which both depict the same pattern as shown on the right of figure 3.

The pattern which occurred in the Chilbolton crop field, is the same image as shown in the books (ie. the one on the right of fig.3 and the mirror image of the original decoding). This could imply that IF someone hoaxed the formation, they copied the incorrect pattern printed in a book. Alternatively, I may have converted the original pulses by mapping left to right when converting into a 23x73 grid, instead of going from right to left - which personally doesn't seem correct to my interpretation of the original binary sequence.
If anyone can explain this discrepancy, I would love to hear your comments. However, for the purposes of the rest of this article I shall refer to the pattern physically laid in the crop field. The results are the same because the actual code remains unchanged irrespective of whether it's the original or a mirror image anyway - as the binary coding remains unaltered.

Decoding the original message
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The original message was comprised of several 'sections', each depicting a particular aspect of 'our civilisation'. At the top are binary representations of the numbers one through to ten, interestingly showing the numbers eight, nine and ten as two columns. This shows anyone decoding the message that we can specify that numbers too large to be written on a single line can be 'carried over'.

The next section contains the binary values 1,6,7,8 and 15 which indicate the atomic numbers of the primary elements for life on Earth; Hydrogen, Carbon, Nitrogen, Oxygen and Phosphorus respectively.
The same binary codes are then used to represent the formulas for the sugar-phosphate backbone of DNA, illustrated in the next, larger section. Beneath this is a graphical representation of our DNA 'double helix' either side of a binary value of the number of nucleotides in DNA.

Directly below the DNA double helix is a small representation of us - humans - with a body and two arms and two legs (like a little stick man). On the left is a binary value of the population of Earth. I calculate this as approx 1.8 billion (which seems a little low, even for the population back in 1974). On the right of the humanoid form is a binary code for the height of humans. Because we cannot communicate in 'human' measurements (such as feet and inches) the height is represented in 'wavelength units'. As mentioned earlier, the actual message was transmitted on 2380MHz. To convert this into a wavelength we divide into 300, to obtain a wavelength in metres. 300/2380 = 0.12605042m = 12.6cm. This is our 'wavelength unit'.

From the code for the height of a human, we can see that the value is 1110 in binary, or 14 in decimal. If we multiply 14 by our wavelength unit (12.6) we get 176.4cm, or roughly 5'9" - the average height of humans.
The next section is a simplified representation of our Solar System - where we live. It shows the sun and nine planets, roughly representative of size. By moving the third planet up slightly it highlights that something is significant about the third planet from the sun - Earth.

The last section depicts the origin of the message itself - the Arecibo radio telescope, which is the curved structure. Underneath this, as the last two lines of the message, is another binary number. This time it's 100101111110 (split onto two lines in the centre) and equates to 2430 in decimal. Again, using our universal 'wavelength units' we get 2430*12.6cm which is 30618cm - or approx 1000', the diameter of the Arecibo radio dish.

What's different in the Crop Formation?
After extensive analysis I have discovered nine major discrepancies between what we see in the crop field at Chilbolton and the original message that we transmitted to the stars in 1974. I shall leave any interpretation until later, but for now just highlight the differences. The exact detail of these changes couldn't be confirmed until I actually visited the formation on the ground, in order to accurately check the binary code - reading flattened crop as a 0 and standing crop squares as 1's.
Rather than point out the differences in order of importance or anything, I shall merely start at the top of the pattern and work downwards.
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The numbers 1 to 10 appear exactly the same in the formation.
However the atomic numbers indicating the prevalent elements making up life on Earth, has an additional value inserted into the binary sequence. This is precisely added in the correct location, and in the original binary code (therefore it can't be a mistake). Decoding from the crop formation, this additional element has an atomic number of 14 = Silicon.

Moving down, the next change is an obvious one - consisting of an extra strand on the left side of the DNA double-helix. Another, less obvious, change is in the binary coding of the number of nucleotides in DNA itself (in the center). If you look in the diagram above, I've highlighted the changes more accurately on the right, by using red squares and outlines to indicate which 'digits' have been changed in the crop formation.
There are quite significant changes to the shape of the humanoid, which becomes almost 'alien-like' and to the diagram of the Arecibo dish. For clarity, I've not bothered going over these in red because the differences are easily apparent.

Either side of what is now an ET, there are changes to both the 'population' figure and also the height value. The latter is now 1000 in binary, or 8. If we multiply this by the original 'wavelength unit' we get 8*12.6cm = 100.8cm which is roughly 3'4" - interesting, because this would correlate with ET witness accounts.
Below this we notice additional changes to the Solar System chart. The third planet from the sun is not the only one 'highlighted' now. The fourth and fifth are as well. The fifth even appears to be emphasised even more, with three additional 'pixels'.

Lastly, what was representative of the Arecibo transmitter in the original message is even more cryptic and would imply a diagrammatic version of the formation which appeared in the same field at Chilbolton last year, in 2000. This can be viewed in my database, reference uk00ee.
The binary code for the size of the transmitter is also altered. I'll leave the reader to work out the new value....

What does it all mean?
I am hesitant to make too much of an interpretation myself, preferring to share the research and information with which to enable readers to continue the search for answers and further their own knowledge.
However, there are some fairly obvious implications from the crop formation. First, and quite obvious from the aerial view is the shape of the ET figure. This clearly has the little stick-like body with two arms and two legs, but has a much larger head and two distinct eyes. This is almost reminiscent of the 'Greys' of popular UFO culture. Indeed, the modified 'height' code corresponding to just over three feet would also confirm this aspect.

If you decode the 'population' binary sequence in the actual crop formation you get a value of approx 8.5 billion - a lot bigger than the original transmission, and indeed Earth's current population? Perhaps this is the population of their own planet, or even the combined human and ET population of Earth - if you believe, like some researchers, that Earth is already populated by an unseen ET contingency?? I leave this for the reader to decide.

There is also some indication of a change in the basic DNA structure of ET. The additional (third) strand shown on the left and also a change in the number of nucleotides indicates a different DNA to ours. It seems quite similar to ours, so perhaps it's a genetic alteration or even a mutation of ours?

The difference in the Solar System information could indicate one of two scenarios; Either it still refers to our own Solar System, but in addition to highlighting Earth is also highlighting the fourth and fifth planets - Mars and Jupiter. Of course, the additional highlight on the 'fifth planet' could actually refer to the asteroid belt which lies between Mars and Jupiter and is in reality the 'fifth element' from the sun. Alternatively, it might not correspond to our own Solar System at all, but to the ET's own solar system - which would also appear to consist of nine planets. The sun is also depicted in the crop formation as slightly smaller. Could this be their smaller sun, or could it be supposed to represent some point in our own future - perhaps when the sun has become smaller and we've populated the other planets? This latter idea, although highly speculative, could even indicate the DNA modification through increased genetic experiments....?

The representation of last years formation in place of the Arecibo dish is possibly the most difficult to interpret. It could indicate a number of things, or merely indicate that ET saw the formation of last year and saw that as representative of the home of the message - ie Chilbolton.
However, if you look at the whole message on a more philosophical level, it's all centred around communication - and notifying the heavens of our existence. Could the representation of a crop circle (the shape, merely chosen because it was the one at the same 'home' location of the message) be to indicate that crop circles are indeed a form of communication? Irrespective of the origin of this formation, you cannot dispute the fact that people the world-over are communicating more because of their crop circle experiences!

Lastly, one significant difference that I also find very intriguing, and which I can exclusively reveal for the first time, concerns the table at the top containing the atomic numbers. The crop circle has an additional column added. However, as mentioned above, it's not an error because it's re-encoded and inserted in the correct sequence. Silicon? Could this be an additional pointer to the physiology of ET? Perhaps ET is a silicon based lifeform instead of carbon based, like us?

I haven't fully explained every discrepancy, merely because I'm deliberately keeping a couple of subtle aspects back so that we can ask for further explanation, should anyone claim it as a hoax.
I should point out at this point that the actual quality of the formation on the ground was remarkably good. However, it did appear to have been flattened in terms of a grid - ie. going across the formation and down the formation. The nearby 'face' formation was more elaborate in terms of the ground lay, as each individual circle appeared to have been swirled separately to the rest of the formation, indicated by a smooth swirl of crop around each circle, instead of being brushed across the formation, forming pathways between each circle.
However, both formations would represent an immense effort required in order to portray what we see in the field and from the air. To create either within the constraints of a few hours of darkness is extremely impressive irrespective of their origin; terrestrial or extra-terrestrial.
Again, irrespective of origin, both have taught me personally a great deal about SETI, human physiology, binary encoding and more importantly - communication, both in transcribing this for you the reader, as well as academic conversations I've had with people as a result of doing this analysis.

While reading this, I hope that you feel the sense of wonder and learning that I felt whilst writing it.
As always, comments and feedback are welcome.
Paul Vigay, 26th August 2001

http://www.timestar.org/ccchilbolton.htm

The representation of last years formation in place of the Arecibo dish is possibly the most difficult to interpret. It could indicate a number of things, or merely indicate that ET saw the formation of last year and saw that as representative of the home of the message - ie Chilbolton

De afbeelding komt overeen met die in een graancirkel die precies een jaar daarvoor op dezelfde plaats is verschenen:
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Zoals zo veel graancirkels is dit een fractale tetrahedron, het fundament van het universum.
En nadat wij geantwoord hebben met de vraag "What do we need to know?" verscheen exact een jaar na de boodschap deze afbeelding:
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Opnieuw een binaire code, deze luidt: “Beware the bearers of FALSE gifts & their BROKEN PROMISES. Much PAIN but still time. BELIEVE. There is GOOD out there. We OPpose DECEPTION. COnduit CLOSING, (BELL SOUND).”
Voor meer uitleg over de fractale tetrahedron zie http://partyflock.nl/flocktopic/87233:Nassim_Haramein_Unified_Field_Theory_video

Heel interessant!!!

Maarre...eet je vaker paddo's op maandag? :rot:
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Uitspraak van permanent verbannen op maandag 10 november 2008 om 13:38:
Heel interessant!!!

idd. maareh k kijk liever filmpjes ipv al deze text 8) (HINT HINT)
 
Ja zwaar interessant! Maar wel heel erg veel tekst. Wordt een lange zit...

Misschien een ander keertje.
 
GODVERREDOMME!!!

ik zei HOU het STRAAT(y)!
 
"Hmmm..."

Uitspraak van permanent verbannen op maandag 10 november 2008 om 13:20:

Uitspraak van verwijderd op maandag 10 november 2008 om 13:17:
Wat veel tekst. :|
Is dit het Topic: Wie kan de langste engelse tekst posten?!


Verder wel leuke onderwerpen maar daar is ook wel genoeg over te vinden in het nederlands. Leest toch een stuk fijner.
Uitspraak van Bobje op maandag 10 november 2008 om 12:53:
En wat zeggen we dan?!?

we zijn er bijna, we zijn er bijna.....


Uitspraak van *martin* op maandag 10 november 2008 om 14:26:
Is dit het Topic: Wie kan de langste engelse tekst posten?!

komt sowieso in de nominatie ervan!
Aanstellers. Ik had het in een paar minuten gelezen.

Crop circles are usually explained as the handiwork of creative pranksters. `Not true,' says Dr. Eltjo H. Haselhoff, Ph.D., former employee of Los Alamos National Laboratories. `The complexity of the crop circle phenomenon is tremendously underestimated, because its true nature is unknown to the general public.' `Obviously, there are people trying to imitate the real thing, but the suggestion that all of these crop formations are made by men with simple flattening tools is by far insufficient to explain the well-documented observations, like unambiguous and consistent biophysical anomalies in the flattened plants, inside the circles, all of which have been published in peer-reviewed scientific literature,' according to Dr. Haselhoff. About ten thousand crop formations have been reported world wide since the late seventies, of which several hundreds throughout the USA, where the first one was reported in 1964. Along with the increasing number of crop circle events, there is also a growing number of eyewitnesses, who claim to have seen how crop circles appeared before their eyes in just a few seconds. Several of these people say that bright, fluorescent balls of light hovered above the fields at the time the circles were formed. `Such a story sounds unbelievable, of course,' Dr. Haselhoff admits, `but after some straightforward research, it was discovered that the plant stems inside these formations had increased in diameter, as an effect of intensive heating, with an astonishing circular symmetry.' `Moreover,' says Dr. Haselhoff, `this effect perfectly matched the radiation pattern of an electromagnetic point source at a height of four meters and ten centimeters above that field. Unbelievable as it may seem to the layman, this is solid physical evidence that these eyewitnesses speak the truth!' Dr. Haselhoff employed his analysis to other crop circles, investigated by others, and obtained identical results. However, the analysis failed dramatically on several man-made crop circles. He concluded that 'balls of light' must indeed be involved in the creation of crop circles, and submitted his findings to the international and peer-reviewed scientific journal Physiologia Plantarum, in which the article was recently published (Phys.Plant. 111 (1), pp. 124). `This has important consequences,' says Dr. Haselhoff. `The hypothesis that these balls of light are involved in the creation of crop circles is now no longer just a hypothesis, but a scientifically accepted fact, until someone proofs the opposite. Moreover, it promotes all further discussions about this to a scientific level.' Dr. Haselhoff's findings are in perfect agreement with the[url] opinion of the American researchers Burke, Levengood and Talbott, who suggested earlier in two other scientific articles that the plant alterations in crop circles may be described to electromagnetic effects. `Not one of these clearly anomalous plant alterations had been mentioned - much less explained - by the proponents of the vandal theory, nor can they be accounted for by the supposed methods employed to create crop formations through claims made by the self-described vandals,' according to the American researchers. 'The BLT team has been attacked by skeptics several times, but without good reason. Their conclusions are correct,' according to Dr. Haselhoff. `I am not performing rocket-science or esoteric experiments, but trivial experimental physics,' says Dr. Haselhoff, `and the results are crystal-clear: something very strange is going on. No-one can deny this. Anyone who claims the opposite, clearly does not know what he is talking about, whereas I consider it the duty of every scientist to figure out what on earth is going on.' [David Castelluccio, PhD]

http://www.geocities.com/transition7/contact.html
http://www.bltresearch.com/index.html
 
Uitspraak van Coming soon op maandag 10 november 2008 om 15:57:
Dr. Haselhoff

Dat is toch de Knightrider? :rot:
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Uitspraak van Coming soon op maandag 10 november 2008 om 15:57:
http://www.geocities.com/transition7/contact.html

"ABOVE IS THE IMAGE OF A GLYPH 1 YEAR PRIOR SAME LOCATION.^"

Wordt tijd dat ze een keer een camera ophangen op dat gebouw. Dan krijgen we eindelijk echt bewijs.... (dat graancircels door mensen worden gemaakt)

Ben alleen bang dat ze daar dan niet meer zullen "verschijnen"
 
Uitspraak van *martin* op maandag 10 november 2008 om 16:26:
Wordt tijd dat ze een keer een camera ophangen op dat gebouw. Dan krijgen we eindelijk echt bewijs.... (dat graancircels door mensen worden gemaakt)

Je kan altijd nog aan Joran vragen of ie een Thai er op af wil sturen :vaag:
Uitspraak van *martin* op maandag 10 november 2008 om 16:26:
Dan krijgen we eindelijk echt bewijs.... (dat graancircels door mensen worden gemaakt)

Je bent het niet eens met de bevindingen in die links? Of je hebt ze niet gelezen? Neem de onderste eens door.
Uitspraak van Coming soon op maandag 10 november 2008 om 16:36:
Of je hebt ze niet gelezen

Ik heb het niet gelezen maar ik heb al vaak genoeg dingen erover gelezen. Ik heb nog geen enkel echt bewijs gezien... Wordt tijd dat het een keer gefilmd wordt. Wat ik trouwens intressanter vind is dit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PeXu-XQM0bc Youtube: NASA ufo (genoeg over te vinden)

Beelden van de NASA over opjecten in de ruimte, die oplichten,versnellen,vertragen,ploseling van baan veranderen en vervolgens in een formatie bij elkaar gaan staan...

Je hebt nog andere filmpjes erover waar ze er veel verder op in gaan maar die kan ik even niet vinden.


Vroeger kon je die beelden nog live volgen, wat erna gelijk gestopt is.
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Uitspraak van *martin* op maandag 10 november 2008 om 17:10:
Ik heb nog geen enkel echt bewijs gezien...

Probeer dan die onderste link eens.
Uitspraak van *martin* op maandag 10 november 2008 om 17:10:
Beelden van de NASA over opjecten in de ruimte,

Ja die ken ik. Het is druk daarboven.
 
erg boeiend stukje text :gaap:


nekschot

mensen die zo'n enorm lange lap text helemaal gaan citeren? dubbele nekschot (Y)
 
Uitspraak van permanent verbannen op maandag 10 november 2008 om 13:20:

foking geil haha xD
 
Artiest Natrion
Uitspraak van Coming soon op maandag 10 november 2008 om 12:59:
Aangenaam, wij bestaan uit koolstof en silicium, Onze Tafel ziet er zo uit (iets uitgebreider), we hebben drie DNA-strengen, een klein lichaam met een groot hoofd, we bewonen de derde, vierde en vijfde planeet van ons zonnestelsel en dit is het geheim van het universum.

Dat kan nog niet eens man.:lol:
1) Tafel der elementen: Alsof ze daar meer elementen in het heelal hebben dan wij...
2) Drie DNA-strengen? Dan weten diegenen blijkbaar nog niet eens wat DNA is...
3) Eh... wijzelf wonen op de derde planeet... en de 5e planeet is onbewoonbaar?
1) Ik weet daar niet heel veel vanaf maar het lijkt me niet ondenkbaar.
2) Wij weten nog niet eens wat DNA is. Wat we wel weten is dat op Aarde steeds meer mensen geboren worden met een derde streng.
3) Zij hebben het over hun zonnestelsel, niet het onze.
 
Uitspraak van Coming soon op maandag 10 november 2008 om 22:35:
Wij weten nog niet eens wat DNA is. Wat we wel weten is dat op Aarde steeds meer mensen geboren worden met een derde streng.

Bron?
Zoiets zou ik toch echt al ergens gelezen moeten hebben. Alleen al in het wetenschappelijk gedeelte van de krant, of bij biologie.
DNA zijn twee strengen van stoffen die op elkaar aansluiten via stoffen en kopieën kan maken via het RNA. Drie strengen slaat nergens op. Dan zouden er geheel andere stoffen moeten zijn die zo op elkaar werken. Alsof men opeens zo muteert dat heel het systeem anders werkt... zou hetzelfde zijn als dat iemand geboren wordt met geheel andere organen dan nu.
Maar heb dit al eens eerder ergens gelezen... over dat we in 2012 1024 DNA strengen zouden hebben.:rot:
Slaat al HELEMAAL nergens op...
Ik moet sowieso ook eens al die 2012-'voorspellingen' ergens opslaan en dan in 2012 eens kijken wie er gelijk heeft.(y)
Uitspraak van Coming soon op maandag 10 november 2008 om 22:35:
Zij hebben het over hun zonnestelsel, niet het onze.

Niet aan gedacht.;)
Meende dat het over dit zonnestelsel ging.
Stable triplex and quadruplex DNA structures are known

Aboul, E. F., Murchie, A. I., and Lilley, D. M. (1992) Nature 360, 280-282 [CrossRef][Medline] [Order article via Infotrieve]
Maher, L., III, Wold, B., and Dervan, P. B. (1991) Antisense Res. Dev. 1, 277-281 [Medline] [Order article via Infotrieve]
van Holde, K. E., and Zlatanova, J. (1994) BioEssays 16, 59-68 [CrossRef][Medline] [Order article via Infotrieve]

http://www.jbc.org/cgi/content/full/270/44/26021
OK over mensen kan ik zo snel niets vinden maar het bestaat dus wel.

Uitspraak van verwijderd op maandag 10 november 2008 om 22:50:
1024 DNA strengen

Die had ik nog niet gehoord, wel 12.
 
Alsof ik tegen een muur lul...


HOU HET GODVERDEGODVER STRAAT!
Uitspraak van verwijderd op dinsdag 11 november 2008 om 12:52:
Alsof ik tegen een muur lul...

Beter dan je lul in een muur boi (Y)

HHS!

En voor ET: Hou het space (Y)
 
hehe...was dat nu zo moeilijk?
 
Uitspraak van Coming soon op maandag 10 november 2008 om 23:33:
http://www.jbc.org/cgi/content/full/270/44/26021
OK over mensen kan ik zo snel niets vinden maar het bestaat dus wel.

:|
Veel te moeilijk engels.8)
Maar wat ik eruit begrijp is dat DNA-structuren met drie strengen of vier wel degelijk mogelijk zijn. Ja, het zou goed kunnen. Maar dan zou dat wel een heel andere levensvorm moeten zijn denk ik, zijn het dan niet geheel andere stoffen dan guanine, cytosine, adenine en thymine?
Hmmm, heb even op wikipedia gekeken of daar iets stond over meerdere helixen...
Alternatieve structuren
Naast B-DNA zijn A-DNA en Z-DNA bekende vormen van de dubbele helix, omdat deze conformaties biologisch actief zijn. A-DNA schijnt vooral voor te komen in gedehydrateerde samples van DNA, en is daarom van belang bij kristallografie. Z-DNA komt voor wanneer er veel supercoiling aanwezig is, waardoor er een grote spanning op de DNA-strengen staat. Andere vormen die beschreven zijn, zijn C-DNA, D-DNA, E-DNA, L-DNA, P-DNA en S-DNA.

De structuur van een DNA-quadruplex zoals die voorkomt in telomeren.In de grote groeve van B-DNA past een derde streng, waardoor een driedubbele helix gevormd kan worden. Daarbij worden zogenaamde Hoogsteen-baseparen gevormd. Er is maar één geval bekend waarbij een driedubbele helix in vivo voorkomt: in de bacterie E. Coli ontstaat het als een tussenproduct wanneer het recombinatie-enzym RecA actief is.

Aan de uiteinden van chromosomen bevinden zich telomeren, waarin duizenden malen de sequentie TTAGGG wordt herhaalt. Dit leidt tot de vorming van een zogenaamde quadruplex van vier DNA-strengen. Hierbij spelen Hoogsteen-baseparen eveneens een rol. Ook op andere plaatsen dan de telomeren kunnen dergelijke quadruplexen voorkomen.

Hmm, nee blijkbaar is het toch mogelijk... al staat hier niets van dat het ook bij mensen kan...
Hmm, misschien toch maar eens jouw link proberen te ontcijferen.8)
Nee, nevermind, veel te moeilijke taal.:lol:
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Artiest Exodus
ziet er wel vet uut