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Niet echt topicwaardig dit. Of vertel ook even waarom je denkt van niet. Dus een verklaring voor:
- het feit dat zoveel "belangrijke" mensen voorkennis hadden
- het feit dat het merendeel van de kapers nog in leven is
- het feit dat Building No. 7 doelbewust is opgeblazen zonder dat het beschadigd was
- de betrokkenheid van de CIA bij de vliegscholen die de kapers hebben opgeleid
-het feit dat FEMA al de dag vantevoren ter plaatse was
- de oefening waarbij vier vliegtuigen werden gekaapt en in het WTC en het Pentagon werden gevlogen en waarvoor NORAD voor het eerst in haar bestaansgeschiedenis uitstond\
- en zo kan ik nog wel even doorgaan. (over de temperatuur waarop staal smelt en het formaat projectiel bij het Pentagon zijn al genoeg discussies lijkt me)
zie ook:
911 Eyewitness
Mohammed Atta and the Venice Flying Circus
- het feit dat zoveel "belangrijke" mensen voorkennis hadden
- het feit dat het merendeel van de kapers nog in leven is
- het feit dat Building No. 7 doelbewust is opgeblazen zonder dat het beschadigd was
- de betrokkenheid van de CIA bij de vliegscholen die de kapers hebben opgeleid
-het feit dat FEMA al de dag vantevoren ter plaatse was
- de oefening waarbij vier vliegtuigen werden gekaapt en in het WTC en het Pentagon werden gevlogen en waarvoor NORAD voor het eerst in haar bestaansgeschiedenis uitstond\
- en zo kan ik nog wel even doorgaan. (over de temperatuur waarop staal smelt en het formaat projectiel bij het Pentagon zijn al genoeg discussies lijkt me)
zie ook:
911 Eyewitness
Mohammed Atta and the Venice Flying Circus
Uitspraak van Coming soon op woensdag 28 februari 2007 om 12:13:Niet echt topicwaardig dit. Of vertel ook even waarom je denkt van niet. Dus een verklaring voor:
- het feit dat zoveel "belangrijke" mensen voorkennis hadden
- het feit dat het merendeel van de kapers nog in leven is
- het feit dat Building No. 7 doelbewust is opgeblazen zonder dat het beschadigd was
- de betrokkenheid van de CIA bij de vliegscholen die de kapers hebben opgeleid
-het feit dat FEMA al de dag vantevoren ter plaatse was
- de oefening waarbij vier vliegtuigen werden gekaapt en in het WTC en het Pentagon werden gevlogen en waarvoor NORAD voor het eerst in haar bestaansgeschiedenis uitstond\
- en zo kan ik nog wel even doorgaan. (over de temperatuur waarop staal smelt en het formaat projectiel bij het Pentagon zijn al genoeg discussies lijkt me)
zie ook:
911 Eyewitness
Mohammed Atta and the Venice Flying Circus
Ik ben hiervan wel op de hoogte hoor!
Uitspraak van Coming soon op woensdag 28 februari 2007 om 12:13:- het feit dat Building No. 7 doelbewust is opgeblazen zonder dat het beschadigd was
dus als iets in brand staat is het niet beschadigd?
Uitspraak van Coming soon op woensdag 28 februari 2007 om 12:13:- het feit dat het merendeel van de kapers nog in leven is
Welke dan? slechte zaak van Bush toch? wel alle mensen uit de vliegtuigen laten verdwijen maar de kapers lopen nog vrij rond...
Bill Clinton moet dus ook in het complot zitten. (WTC '93 bom aanslag)
Bill Clinton moet dus ook in het complot zitten
ALs jij nou eens onderzoek zou gaan doen, dan zou je idd weten dat G Clinton en z'n biatch Hillary ook in het Complot zitten net zoals Al Gore overigens.
Clinton is een Skull en de Bushe's ware al sculls vanaf de overgrootopa van Georgie...dus..
Knowledge =power
Welke dan? slechte zaak van Bush toch? wel alle mensen uit de vliegtuigen laten verdwijen maar de kapers lopen nog vrij rond
Gees kan je niet een beetje creatief denken ofzo?
Ik wil je absoluut niet aanvallen want dat is een van m'n trekjes die ik niet meer wil voeden(negatief).
Maar als je nog niet snapt dat de Illuminatie zooooo vreselijk arrogant zijn dat ze dachten er wel eventjes mee weg te komen. Zij hadden nooit gedacht dat mensen er onderzoek naar zouden gaan doen. Immers toen die vliegtuigen er net ingevlogen waren schreeuwden ze al dat het Al-Qaida was. Iedereen die het live zag is in feite een tijdje lang getraumatiseerd geweest en daar hoopten ze ook op want dat is een methode tot brainwashing.
De meeste mensen geloofden toen ook dat het Al-Qiada was, wat wil je als dat je 3000X per dag wordt gemeld zonder objectieve info???
laatste aanpassing
+ alle grote wolkenkrabbers in de States schijnen bij de bouw al alle bedradingen benodigd voor een 'demolition' aanwezig zijn.
Het is dan alleen een kwestie van ongezien doorlussen, springladingen plaatsen et voila!
Dit doen ze, mocht het gebouw niet rendabel meer zijn dan blazen ze het simpelweg op, de grond is er nl een vermogen waard. Ze verpachtten het opnieuw en klaar is Kees!
nogmaals Jean excuses als ik vijandig overkom, dat is niet mijn bedoeling, ik wil mensen alleen wakker 'schudden'.
Het is dan alleen een kwestie van ongezien doorlussen, springladingen plaatsen et voila!
Dit doen ze, mocht het gebouw niet rendabel meer zijn dan blazen ze het simpelweg op, de grond is er nl een vermogen waard. Ze verpachtten het opnieuw en klaar is Kees!
nogmaals Jean excuses als ik vijandig overkom, dat is niet mijn bedoeling, ik wil mensen alleen wakker 'schudden'.
laatste aanpassing
Uitspraak van SuburbanKnight op woensdag 28 februari 2007 om 15:07:Immers toen die vliegtuigen er net ingevlogen waren schreeuwden ze al dat het Al-Qaida was. Iedereen die het live zag is in feite een tijdje lang getraumatiseerd geweest en daar hoopten ze ook op want dat is een methode tot brainwashing.
Ik heb 11 september ook live op televisie zien gebeuren.. toen er bekend werd dat het Al-Qaida was, Moslims, geloofde ik het meteen. Groepen als Al-Qaida hadden sowieso al oorlog verklaard aan Amerika en Israel, en ook al eerder toegeslagen en ik steun Al-Qaida daar ook volkomen in.
In Al Dhahran, Kenia en Tanzania, USS Cole etc.. maar Amerika luisterde niet en moest doorgaan met bloedvergieten, de steun aan Israel etc...dus ging Al-Qaida ook door.
Het was dan ook te verwachten dat er een aanval van Moslims zou komen op of tegen Amerika. Iedereen, inclusief inlichtingendiensten dachten dat het tegen Amerikaanse doelen in de Arabische en Islamitische wereld zou plaatsvinden zoals iedere andere Jihadi operatie met uitzondering van de 1993 WTC bomaanslag. Ik denk dat zelfs Ramzi Yusuf niet had kunnen dromen dat er een operatie zoals 11 september op vijandelijk grondgebied in de US of A zelf zou kunnen plaats vinden.
En de aanwezigheid van Amerika in het midden oosten zet kwaad bloed. Helemaal als het gaat om het land van de laatste profeet van Islam, de profeet Mohammed, en de twee heilige moskeeen, Saudi Arabie. Zo als Ahmed Abd al-Sattar al eens zei:
''De mensen, vooral in de Arabisch en- Islamitische wereld, kijken naar de Amerikanen het zelfde als hoe ze keken naar de Britse en de Franse troepen, we waarderen het heel erg dat er mensen komen om het land te verdedigen. maar niemand heeft om Amerikanen gevraagt. De Amerikanen zitten hier niet om ons te beschermen maar de Amerikanen zitten hier om corrupte regimes en hun eigen belangen veilig te stellen. Wat Amerika in deze regio aan het doen is heeft niets, maar dan ook helemaal niets met de gewoone burger te maken''.
Daarom zet Al-Qaida ook zo veel leden zo ook op 11 september voor operaties tegen Amerikanen. Omdat Al-Qaida tweedracht wilt zaaien tussen Amerika en Saudi Arabie, eigenlijk tussen Amerika (westen) en de Islamitische landen. Maar met de marionetten regimes in Irak, Afghanistan en zo'n beetje overal in Islamitische landen hebben ze nog een heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeleeeeeeeeeee lange weg te gaan... die volgen Amerika in plaats van hun religie, die hebben ze verkocht aan Amerika voor goede baantjes en zekerheid voor de toekomst. Hamid Karzai, Musharraf, Nuri al-Maliki, Hosni Mubarak, Mahmoud Abbas, etc. Dat zijn criminelen. Dat zijn terroristen.. niet Osama bin Laden, niet Mohammed Atta, Ziad Jarrah of al die andere. Maar die wereld leiders.... Weten jullie wie op dit moment de populairste leider is in het midden oosten? Osama bin Laden!
Uitspraak van SuburbanKnight op woensdag 28 februari 2007 om 15:07:De meeste mensen geloofden toen ook dat het Al-Qiada was, wat wil je als dat je 3000X per dag wordt gemeld zonder objectieve info???
Maar natuurlijk gelooft een meerderheid van de mensen dat Al-Qaida achter 11 september zit. Dat zitten ze namelijk ook.. ze hebben ook zelf bekend.
Osama bin Laden in zijn videoboodschap aan het Amerikaanse volk voor de verkiezingen in 2004:
I say to you, as Allah is my witness: We had not considered attacking the towers, but things reached the breaking point when we witnessed the injustice and tyranny of the American-Israeli coalition against our people in Palestine and Lebanon – then I got this idea.
...
As I was looking at those destroyed towers in Lebanon, I was struck by the idea of punishing the oppressor in the same manner and destroying towers in the US, to give it a taste of what we have tasted and to deter it from killing our children and women.
Als ik het WTC zie instorten dan vergelijk ik het met de bombardementen op Irak en Afghanistan. Als ik de Amerikanen zie rouwen, vergelijk ik het met de rouwende Palestijnen, als ik de Amerikanen hoor roepen wraak te willen nemen dan hoor ik Osama bin Laden. Maar die word gezien als terrorist, en Bush, Blair en al die andere als peacemaker.
Nederland zal met de bezetting van Afghanistan ook te maken krijgen met een 9/11 daar ben ik van overtuigd.
Uitspraak van SuburbanKnight op woensdag 28 februari 2007 om 13:07:Ik ben hiervan wel op de hoogte hoor!
Ik had het tegen de topicopener.
dus als iets in brand staat is het niet beschadigd?
En waardoor is die brand ontstaan?
Maar natuurlijk gelooft een meerderheid van de mensen dat Al-Qaida achter 11 september zit. Dat zitten ze namelijk ook.. ze hebben ook zelf bekend.
Osama bin Laden in zijn videoboodschap aan het Amerikaanse volk voor de verkiezingen in 2004:
Weet je dat zeker? http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/osamatape.html
WTC '93 bom aanslag
Dat was ook een inside job. De CIA had een Egyptenaar gevraagd de bom te leveren. Hij was echter geen moordlustige terrorist maar een vrome moslim, en heeft het telefoongesprek opgenomen waarin ze hem opdroegen de bom te maken en bevestigden dat het om een aanslag zou gaan. Dit is te zien in een film van Alex Jones, ik weet even niet welke.
Uitspraak van Coming soon op donderdag 1 maart 2007 om 12:15:Weet je dat zeker? http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/osamatape.html
Ja ik weet het zeker want die video is niet de zelfde als dat ik bedoel, ik bedoel deze video van Bin Laden die heeft hij uitgegeven op de vooravond van de Amerikaanse verkiezingen in 2004. http://switch3.castup.net/cunet/gm.asp?ai=214&ar=312wmv&ak=null Hij claimt ook duidelijk, ''contrary to Bush's claim that we hate freedom. Let him explain why we did not attack Sweden, for example'' We = toch wij?
''We agreed with the general commander Muhammad Ata, may Allah have mercy on him, that all operations should be carried out within 20 minutes, before Bush and his administration would become aware. [b]We[b] never imagined that the Commander in Chief of the American armed forces would abandon 50,000 of his citizens in the twin towers to face this great horror alone when they needed him most. It seemed to him that a girl's story about her goat and its butting was more important than dealing with planes and their "butting" into skyscrapers. This allowed [b]us[b] three times the amount of time needed for the operations, Allah be praised.''
Ik weet niet, maar komt bij mij toch een beetje over als een bekentenisje van Osama.. we, us...
Uitspraak van Coming soon op donderdag 1 maart 2007 om 12:15:Dat was ook een inside job. De CIA had een Egyptenaar gevraagd de bom te leveren. Hij was echter geen moordlustige terrorist maar een vrome moslim, en heeft het telefoongesprek opgenomen waarin ze hem opdroegen de bom te maken en bevestigden dat het om een aanslag zou gaan. Dit is te zien in een film van Alex Jones, ik weet even niet welke.
Interessant is de NatGeo documantaire 'Osama rising' daar in word een heel mooi compleet beeld geschets van de gebeurtenissen in die tijd Over Yusuf, de blinde sjeik etc.
Of het boek De Nieuwe Jakhalzen.. over Bin Laden, Ramzi Yusuf, Al-Qaida en de toekomst van terrorismde..
Maar die 93 WTC was geen insidejob. Was ook geen Al-Qaida..
Ramzi Yusuf is naar Amerika gekomen om zoveel mogelijk Joden te vermoorden Het plan was eerst ook om in Joodse wijken in New York bommen te laten ontploffen. Maar omdat een Palestijnse medestander van hem, Ahmed Ajaj, zei dat in de WTC veel Joden werkte en dat makkelijker was hebben ze dat aangevallen. Dat heeft hij gezegt tijdens zijn rechtzaak, en hij zei ook.. ''Ja ik ben een terrorist en ik ben er trots op''. Hij is een neef van Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, het brein achter 11 september. Toen Ramzi yusuf gearesteerd was en naar Amerika werd gevlogen hield een FBI agent zijn hoofd voor het WTC en die zei ''Kijk hij staat er nog...'' had ie beter niet kunnen zeggen!
Het was zeker geen insidejob. Maar het was ook geen operatie van Al-Qaida word wel gezegt omdat hij gearesteerd werd in een Al-Qaida safehouse in Pakistan wat betaald werd door Osama bin Laden. Osama bin Laden heeft ook in een interview met een Amerikaanse journalist gezegt dat hij niet wist wie Ramzi Yusuf was of waar de groep rond Ramzi Yusuf mee bezig was maar hij was er wel trots op.
laatste aanpassing
Volgens geluidsexperts Al-Jazeera an Al Arabia, en FBI en CNN terrorisme deskundigen Bin Laden zelf. En volgens Al-Qaida ook Bin Laden zelf... ik weet niet hoeveel dubbelgangers hij heeft.
En we zijn niet vergeten dat Bin Laden op de CIA-loonlijst staat.
Uitspraak van Coming soon op vrijdag 2 maart 2007 om 10:33:En we zijn niet vergeten dat Bin Laden op de CIA-loonlijst staat
om 't nog spannender te maken, de familie bin laden (niet osama zelf) deed/doet zaken met amerika en was tijdens de aanslagen in Amerika, die hebben ze daarna snel 't land uit geloodst
Uitspraak van Coming soon op vrijdag 2 maart 2007 om 10:33:En we zijn niet vergeten dat Bin Laden op de CIA-loonlijst staat.
Wat een onzin. Bin Laden is een mujahid. Hij vecht Jihad niet voor geld, Jihad voor liefde voor zijn God.. Hamid Karzai en de rest van die mensen staan op de CIA-loonlijst.
Uitspraak van verwijderd op vrijdag 2 maart 2007 om 11:20:om 't nog spannender te maken, de familie bin laden (niet osama zelf) deed/doet zaken met amerika en was tijdens de aanslagen in Amerika, die hebben ze daarna snel 't land uit geloodst
De familie Bin Laden.. tja... buiten zijn zoons zijn die het ook niet met Osama zijn strijd eens. Eind jaren '90 kwamen zijn moeder en favoriete oom naar Afghanistan om hem uit opdracht van de Saudische regering te overtuigen dat waar hij mee bezig was, fout was en dat hij naar Saudie Arabie zou moeten terugkomen en rustig leven. Maar in plaats daarvan heeft hij gekozen om de strijd door te zetten en met zijn familie te breken.
De familie Bin Laden.. tja... buiten zijn zoons zijn die het ook niet met Osama zijn strijd eens
dank je dat ze en-publiek zullen toegeven dat zij hun 'afgestoten' zoon, voor miljoenen hebben gesteund in zijn strijd.
Wat een onzin. Bin Laden is een mujahid. Hij vecht Jihad niet voor geld, Jihad voor liefde voor zijn God
Bin Laden gebruikt de Mujaheddeen voor zijn eigen ideologie en dat is niet religie, hoe hij het ook zo over laat komen! Bin laden is in het spel gekomen om geld te verdienen en veeeel! Dat was ie al gewend toen in de jaren '70 van de CIA Stingers en Dollars kreeg om de Russen te bestrijden.
Uitspraak van SuburbanKnight op vrijdag 2 maart 2007 om 14:30:dank je dat ze en-publiek zullen toegeven dat zij hun 'afgestoten' zoon, voor miljoenen hebben gesteund in zijn strijd.
Nee dat doen ze niet. Het zijn wahabieten en dat zijn hele enge mensen die steunen de zaak van Al-Qaida/Taliban ook niet.
Uitspraak van SuburbanKnight op vrijdag 2 maart 2007 om 14:30:Bin Laden gebruikt de Mujaheddeen voor zijn eigen ideologie en dat is niet religie, hoe hij het ook zo over laat komen! Bin laden is in het spel gekomen om geld te verdienen en veeeel! Dat was ie al gewend toen in de jaren '70 van de CIA Stingers en Dollars kreeg om de Russen te bestrijden.
De Mujahideen van Al-Qaida kiezen er zelf voor om zich aan te sluiten bij de karavaan van de Mujahideen en loyaal te zijn aan Bin Laden. De ideologie van Osama bin Laden is veranderd toen de Godfather van Jihad, Abdullah Azzam martelaar werd en al-Zawahiri de ideeen van de Egyptische Islamitische Jihad fractie verkondigde waardoor Bin Laden veranderde.
En Osama Bin Laden, CIA bla bla. De Amerikanen financeerde de Afghaanse Moejahideen, de stamhoofden etc. Bin Laden, Azzam waren van hele andere groepen.
Zoals Peter Bergen, Amerikaans terrorisme deskundige en professor, die Bin Laden ontmoet heeft en geintervied heeft al zei:
''The story about bin Laden and the CIA—that the CIA funded bin Laden or trained bin Laden—is simply a folk myth. There's no evidence of this. In fact, there are very few things that bin Laden, Ayman al-Zawahiri and the U.S. government agree on. They all agree that they didn't have a relationship in the 1980s. And they wouldn't have needed to. Bin Laden had his own money, he was anti-American and he was operating secretly and independently.
The real story here is the CIA didn't really have a clue about who this guy was until 1996 when they set up a unit to really start tracking him.''
Pffff.... en als Multidimensional Infinity zegt dat er bewijs voor die theorie van de WTC '93 aanslagen in een film van Alex Jonen, Amerikaan, te zien is is het opeens wel goed? Hij zou tenslotte zomaar in dienst kunnen zijn van de Bush administration..
En hij schrijft ook boeken over Osama Bin Laden, niet in dienst van iets, maar gewoon vanuit zich zelf. Moet je maar eens lezen. ''The Osama bin Laden I Know''
En hij schrijft ook boeken over Osama Bin Laden, niet in dienst van iets, maar gewoon vanuit zich zelf. Moet je maar eens lezen. ''The Osama bin Laden I Know''
Pffff.... en als Multidimensional Infinity zegt dat er bewijs voor die theorie van de WTC '93 aanslagen in een film van Alex Jonen, Amerikaan, te zien is is het opeens wel goed? Hij zou tenslotte zomaar in dienst kunnen zijn van de Bush administration..
En hij schrijft ook boeken over Osama Bin Laden, niet in dienst van iets, maar gewoon vanuit zich zelf. Moet je maar eens lezen. ''The Osama bin Laden I Know''
Sorry datwas een beetje een ongenuanceerd antwoord van mij.
Ik ben ervan overtuigd dat OBL in dienst is van de USA. Anders was hij simpelweg allang 'gevonden' of gedood.
Vergeet niet dat er 25 mijoen dollar op z'n hoofd staat, ik geloof gewoon niet dat geen van zijn handlangers hem voor dat geld niet uitlevert.
laatste aanpassing
Bin Laden was aan het begin van de Amerikaanse inval van Afghanistan bij Tora Bora aanwezig en is daar na gevlucht naar Pakistan wat aan Tora Bora grenst.. Hij kon daar weg komen omdat de VS op dat moment niet genoeg grondtroepen had. Al hadden ze er meer mensen op afgestuurd hadden ze hem zeker weten te pakken kunnen nemen. En hij zal niet in grote groepen reizen maar met kleine groepjes, betrouwbare mensen...
Gister was er een interview met de leider van de Taliban in het zuiden en oosten van Afghanistan, Mullah Dadullah, hij zei dat de leiders wel met Osama bin Laden in contact staan maar dat het moeilijk is om met hem in contact te komen omdat hij en de rest van Al-Qaida Emirs in die regio met uitzondering van Zawahiri niet graag op de voorgrond treden en zich zo low-profile proberen te houden, alleen voor het hoognodige naar buiten treden naar deze mensen.
En dat niemand hem veraad is wel logisch. In de regio waar hij waarschijnlijk zit, grens pakistan/afghanistan heerst en zo'n cultuur van eerwraak en zo. Taliban, Al-Qaida worden daar binnengehaald als helden omdat de lokale bevolking meer steun krijgt van hun dan van de Afghaanse of Pakistaanse overheden die in dat soort regio's weinig tot geen macht hebben.
Gister was er een interview met de leider van de Taliban in het zuiden en oosten van Afghanistan, Mullah Dadullah, hij zei dat de leiders wel met Osama bin Laden in contact staan maar dat het moeilijk is om met hem in contact te komen omdat hij en de rest van Al-Qaida Emirs in die regio met uitzondering van Zawahiri niet graag op de voorgrond treden en zich zo low-profile proberen te houden, alleen voor het hoognodige naar buiten treden naar deze mensen.
En dat niemand hem veraad is wel logisch. In de regio waar hij waarschijnlijk zit, grens pakistan/afghanistan heerst en zo'n cultuur van eerwraak en zo. Taliban, Al-Qaida worden daar binnengehaald als helden omdat de lokale bevolking meer steun krijgt van hun dan van de Afghaanse of Pakistaanse overheden die in dat soort regio's weinig tot geen macht hebben.
Zie http://www.infowars.net/articles/april2007/230407vans.htm voor foto's en video's.
The Mystery Of The 9/11 Car Bombs
Evidence points to multiple roaming backup teams with vans full of explosives
Steve Watson
Infowars.net
Monday, April 23, 2007
A much underreported aspect of the 9/11 attacks is one that concerns transmissions, sightings, reports and statements alluding to multiple mysterious suspects in different vans packed with explosives that were stopped and detained in New York while the towers were burning and in the aftermath of the attacks.
Some evidence even suggests that some of these vehicles actually exploded, and at least one was reported by mainstream media sourcing the FBI as having been parked at the base of one of the towers when it exploded and aided the collapse of the tower.
At first it sounds outlandish, but were teams of "terrorists" with huge amounts of explosives roaming around on the ground in New York on September 11th ready to jump into action and attack whichever structures or buildings they were ordered to target?
The first, and most mysterious, piece of evidence to highlight comes from an actual transmission from audio from Channel 30 NYC, one of the emergency communications channels, on the morning of September 11 which makes reference to the discovery of a van full of explosives and two suspects located between 6th and 7th on King Street, some blocks away from the World Trade Center.
The bizarre thing about the transmission is that the responder makes reference to a mural painted on the side of the van depicting a "remote controlled plane" diving into New York City. A full transcript follows the audio:
Begin Transcript:
officer: [inaudible]
officer: 5 the message about the plane
officer: Sergeant [inaudible] seven five (Miller?)
officer: 5 [inaudible] about the, 10-5 the message about the plane
officer: 9414 hold up
officer: 5 the message about the remote-control plane
officer: [inaudible] on the air
officer: [inaudible]
officer: [inaudible]
officer: [inaudible] Trinity and Liberty… all city wide task force units are to respond to Liberty Trinity Place
officer: 10-4 the message is the plane [inaudible]
officer: [inaudible] task forces
c/o: [inaudible] and [inaudible] will be the mobilization point at this time [inaudible]
officer: 10-4 c/o central who is [inaudible]
officer: didn’t find any mention about the plane (alt: didn’t find any admission about the plane)
officer: central, we need the bomb squad and EAQ over at King and……background noise….click
officer: [inaudible]
officer: [inaudible] units
officer: [inaudible] on the air
officer: 9415 you on?
officer: 85[inaudible] this is uhh operator
officer: [inaudible]
officer: negat[inaudible]
officer: [inaudible] giving up these [inaudible] (planes?)
officer: [inaudible] I got a message on that uh plane,
it’s a big truck with a mural painted of a of a airplane diving into New York City
and exploding [inaudible] know what’s in the truck, the truck is in between 6th and 7th on King Street
officer: [inaudible]
officer: [inaudible]
officer: [inaudible]
officer: [inaudible] 10-5 10-5
officer: with a mural painted uh airplane diving into New York blowing up. Two men got outta the truck
ran away from it, we got those two [inaudible] under.
officer: kay great.
officer: [inaudible]
officer: [inaudible] are you holding those to guys [inaudible] (kay?)
multiple voices/commotion: [inaudible] fucking beat the shit out of him.
officer: [gasps]
multiple voices/commotion: [inaudible] fucking shit out of him [inaudible]
officer: all right listen you need any [inaudible] on those two guys over there? you all right over there kay?
officer: we got both suspects under kay, we have the suspects who drive…drove in the van and that exploded
we have both of them under kay let’s get some help over here
officer: now I’m sending you [inaudible] I just want to make sure you and your guys all right over there kay, that’s all.
officer: what’s the location [inaudible]
officer: put em up, put em up
officer: you know we have both the [inaudible] driven that exploded. Is that correct?
officer: what location?
officer: location [inaudible]
officer: [inaudible]
officer: [inaudible] location [inaudible]
officer: King Street between 6th and 7th
officer: King Street and 6th and 7th avenue, King Street and 6th and 7th avenue
officer: [inaudible] on the scene King 6 and 7, which unit are you kay?
officer: [inaudible]
officer: [inaudible]
officer: [inaudible] explosion
officer: which unit is on the scene at king street?
officer: truck to Manhattan
officer: [inaudible] 10 truck
officer: [inaudible] 10 truck is heading a team toward 14 Trinity Place
officer: all right you take care of that for me and get back to me
multiple voices: [inaudible]
officer: all right just check out that location let me know what you got
officer: [inaudible]4
officer: [inaudible] on the air
officer: on the air
officer: [inaudible]
officer: that fine with you?
officer: CIT Units on the air, CIT
officer: [inaudible] always available [inaudible] we’re talkin
The indication is that the suspects ran away when the van was stopped and were then apprehended following some sort of struggle. It is then stated that the van has actually exploded.
Naturally the strangeness of this audio clip has lead to questions concerning its authenticity, yet this was cleared up soon after the clip emerged sometime last year, when it was discovered that reference to the mural van was also made in the February 2006 Norman Y. Mineta International Institute for Surface Transportation Policy Studies (MTI) report entitled: “Saving City Lifelines: Lessons Learned in the 9-11 Terrorist Attacks”. The report states:
“There were continuing moments of alarm. A panel truck with a painting of a plane flying into the World Trade Center was stopped near the temporary command post. It proved to be rented to a group of ethnic Middle Eastern people who did not speak English. Fearing that it might be a truck bomb, the NYPD immediately evacuated the area, called out the bomb squad, and detained the occupants until a thorough search was made. The vehicle was found to be an innocent delivery truck.”
The Culhavoc blog site, which has covered this mystery in depth here, notes:
The MTI quote makes absolutely no mention of the truck exploding.
This report states that the truck was rented. Doesn’t the MTI find it interesting that middle eastern men rented a truck and painted it with a mural depicting an attack currently taking place blocks away? Why would someone paint a mural of WTC being attacked by planes on a rented van?
In addition if this was an "innocent delivery truck" why did the suspects attempt to run away?
We have two middle eastern men in a van with a mural on the side of New York being attacked by a plane diving into it on the same day as two planes are flown into the twin towers. Is this alone not suspicious enough to warrant a full explanation in the MTI report?
Something about the mural also must have caused the officer heard on the transmission to believe that it depicted a remote controlled airplane packed with explosives. The remote controlled plane comments are interesting when put into context side by side with Operation Northwoods, the now infamous 1962 plan by the Joint Chiefs to carry out terror attacks on American soil to be used as a pretext to invade Cuba.
What happened to these two men? Why was the apparent explosion of the vehicle never reported? And why was first responder audio stating the vehicle had exploded subsequently ignored by all the official investigations into 9/11?
More Roaming Explosive Vans in NY on 9/11
Another transcript of 9/11 police radio transmissions, originally obtained by memoryhole.org in 2005 through a Port Authority Freedom of Information Request, reveals a second separate mention of a van with “terrorists” and explosives:
CPD - Ch . 018 - Radio (Ch . W) LT Police
from page 148 of 1593 (in pdf pages)
http://www.thememoryhole.org/911/pa-transcripts/pa-transcript027.pdf
MALE C: Attention all 880(?) police units . Stand by for the (Inaudible) the Holland Tunnel . (01 :18:57)
MALE D : (Inaudible) copy .
MALE C : (Inaudible) from the Holland Tunnel exit, a tan Ford alpha van . New York tags . delta (Inaudible), November 8970 . Information has it this van was seen with possible terrorists in it, with explosives . That’s from the Holland Tunnel desk, (Inaudible) 32nd . It’s heading eastbound towards Le Havre(?) at this time . but they haven’t caught it yet, and it may be coming towards this way . (01 :19:25)
The Holland Tunnel exit is a few blocks from King between 6th and 7th.
Could this be the same van that exploded on King St. as was reported on NYPD radio or is it a completely different van?
Certainly if the van had a mural painted on its side one would assume any sightings would include a description of this also. This is not the case here however, which suggests this may be an altogether different white van with 'terrorists" and explosives.
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In a separate transcript first broadcast by NBC news, another mention is made of a white van with explosives and "terrorists" heading for the Holland Tunnel.
Dispatcher: Jersey City police.
Caller: Yes, we have a white van, 2 or 3 guys in there, they look like Palestinians and going around a building.
Caller: There's a minivan heading toward the Holland tunnel, I see the guy by Newark Airport mixing some junk and he has those sheikh uniform.
Dispatcher: He has what?
Caller: He's dressed like an Arab.
Based on that phone call, police then issued a "Be-on-the-Lookout" alert for a white mini-van heading for the city's bridges and tunnels from New Jersey.
Is this yet another white van or is it again the same one? It is somewhat strange that the caller describes the man or men as "dressed like an arab". Certainly there was no mention of out of the ordinary dress when the two suspects from the King St. incident were apprehended.
Furthermore, why would any potential terrorist attract attention to themselves by dressing out of the ordinary? Why would any potential terrorist paint a mural of an attack they know is going to happen that day on their vehicle? Were these sightings hoaxes or deliberate distractions or were there actually people carrying out these actions, and if so on who's orders were they acting and why were they being so blatant?
These reports are very strange but they are in the record on 9/11.
In addition to these Holland Tunnel reports, The Jerusalem Post and others also reported that a white van with a bomb was stopped as it approached the George Washington Bridge:
American security services overnight stopped a car bomb on the George Washington Bridge. The van, packed with explosives, was stopped on an approach ramp to the bridge. Authorities suspect the terrorists intended to blow up the main crossing between New Jersey and New York, Army Radio reported.
It was reported that two or three men were arrested and the van contained tonnes of explosives.
CBS's Dan Rather also reported on this, a video of which appears below:
Could these two incidents at the Holland Tunnel and the George Washington Bridge have involved the same white van and the same group of "terrorists"? The George Washington Bridge is several miles north of the Holland Tunnel. It certainly becomes clear that the suspects detained at the GW Bridge were not the same suspects detained in King St. with the mural on their van.
The Five Dancing Israelis Arrested On 9-11
Another often documented instance of suspicious individuals seen in a white van on 9/11 is that of the so called "Five Dancing Israelis". It was reported by the New York Times any many other outlets that Police received several calls from angry New Jersey residents on and after 9/11 claiming that a group of five "middle-eastern" men with a white van were videotaping the disaster with shouts of joy and mockery.
The following details are taken from whatreallyhappened.com's excellent datapage on this aspect of the story.
Some witnesses stated they saw the men set up video cameras aimed at the Twin Towers prior to the attack and were seen congratulating one another afterwards.
Witnesses saw them jumping for joy in Liberty State Park after the initial impact. Later on, other witnesses saw them celebrating on a roof in Weehawken, and still more witnesses later saw them celebrating with high fives in a Jersey City parking lot.
In each case the white van was mentioned and a group of three to five described. Could these reports have all pertained to the same group of middle easterners or was there more than one group?
It was reported by ABC, the New York Post and the New Jersey Bergen Record that police stopped a group of five men in a white van on a ramp near Route 3, which leads directly to the Lincoln Tunnel at around 4.30pm on 9/11.
The police and FBI field agents became very suspicious when they found maps of the city with certain places highlighted, box cutters (the same items that the hijackers supposedly used), $4700 cash stuffed in a sock, and foreign passports. Police also told the Bergen Record that bomb sniffing dogs were brought to the van and that they reacted as if they had smelled explosives.
The Jewish weekly The Forward reported that the FBI finally concluded that at least two of the detained Israelis were agents working for the Mossad, the Israeli intelligence agency, and that Urban Moving Systems, the ostensible employer of the five Israelis, was a front operation. This was confirmed by two former CIA officers, and they noted that movers' vans are a common intelligence cover. The Israelis were held in custody for 71 days before being quietly released.
It was also determined that the Israeli owner of Urban Moving Systems, Dominick Suter, dropped his business a few days after 9/11 and fled the country for Israel. He was in such a hurry to flee America that some of Urban Moving System's customers were left with their furniture stranded in storage facilities. Suter was later placed on the same FBI suspect list as Mohammed Atta and the 19 hijackers.
Several of the detainees discussed their experience in America on an Israeli talk show after their return home. Said one of the men, denying that they were laughing or happy on the morning of Sept. 11, "The fact of the matter is we are coming from a country that experiences terror daily. Our purpose was to document the event." How did they know there would be an event to document on 9/11? This is clear evidence of prior knowledge.
Below is a video of a report that includes footage of the afore mentioned Israeli chat show:
The fact that these men were exposed as Mossad agents raises the question, who were the other groups of middle eastern men spotted in white vans on 9/11 working for?
More Exploding Vans?
The following clip shows Jack Kelley a foreign war correspondent stating to USA today that the FBI believed that a truck full of explosives was parked beneath the buildings which exploded and weakened the structures aiding their complete collapse:
The next clip shows MSNBC news reporter Rick Sanchez stating that NYPD found suspicious devices and think a van with explosives was parked inside the WTC.
The next clip, which also contains the above two, shows many witnesses stating that they heard explosions inside and at the base of the buildings. It also contains MSNBC's Pat Dawson stating that the chief of safety for the New York City Fire Department had told him that they believed a secondary device had exploded somewhere inside one of the buildings:
So not only do we have reports of explosive vans from all over New York on 9/11, news reports also strongly suggest that the authorities believed that vans packed with explosives were used in the actual attack on the World Trade Center.
Another widely circulated report picked up by multiple mainstream outlets on 9/11 was the announcement by senior law officials within the State Department in Washington that a car bomb had exploded outside the their building.
The news anchors in the following British Channel 5 clip also make mention of a car bomb at the State Department and the bombing of a shopping mall in Washington DC.
These were not rumors generated as a result of "confusion" as is often the defense - the anchor cites a "senior U.S. law enforcement official" as the source. Why were these events reported and then never covered again?
It is commonly accepted that the breadth of the 9/11 attack was planned to be larger in scope because Flight 93 did not reach its target. Were the State Department and Washington Mall "bombings" intended to go ahead but for whatever reason failed or were called off? Was the media fed a script too early as in the case of Building 7, which was also reported to have collapsed by both the BBC and CNN up to 30 minutes before it actually fell?
By the evening of September 11, following a "perimeter walk around our building," the State Department publicly stated that no such bombing had taken place.
Why were senior State Department officials telling the media that there had been a bombing without even conducting a basic appraisal of the building's perimeter? Can this all be put down to "confusion" or were some elements of the 9/11 script changed according to how events were unfolding on the day?
Conclusion
There are reports from 9/11 of white vans with explosives and middle eastern suspects in at least eight different places in New York on that day:
King Street
nr. Holland Tunnel
nr. George Washington Bridge
nr. Lincoln Tunnel
Liberty State Park
Weehawken
Jersey City
World Trade Center
These locations are represented by the blue placemarks on the map (click for enlargement).
There were at least three different parties involved:
1. The Israeli group detained near the Lincoln Tunnel
2. The mural van pair detained on King Street
3. Whoever it was that was detained near the GW Bridge
None of these groups were dressed in Arab garb so, if the documented call to police stating this was authentic, there may have been another group.
There are many more witness statements and reports of exploding vehicles in and around ground zero on 9/11, far too many to go into detail about.
Were all these reports and statements, including the NYPD transmissions inaccurate or false alarms? Or do they represent evidence of 9/11 being a much larger scale operation than we have been led to believe? Were all the mysterious suspects "backup" in case the planes never reached their targets? Were some involved in bringing the towers down?
We can only speculate on who these people were, what their roles were and who they were working for, but once again it is clear that the whole truth as to what happened on the day that changed the world is far from being told.
Note: More transcripts from 9/11 can be found here. Independent researchers may wish to look through them. There may be more references to suspicious vehicles contained within this myriad of documentation.
The Mystery Of The 9/11 Car Bombs
Evidence points to multiple roaming backup teams with vans full of explosives
Steve Watson
Infowars.net
Monday, April 23, 2007
A much underreported aspect of the 9/11 attacks is one that concerns transmissions, sightings, reports and statements alluding to multiple mysterious suspects in different vans packed with explosives that were stopped and detained in New York while the towers were burning and in the aftermath of the attacks.
Some evidence even suggests that some of these vehicles actually exploded, and at least one was reported by mainstream media sourcing the FBI as having been parked at the base of one of the towers when it exploded and aided the collapse of the tower.
At first it sounds outlandish, but were teams of "terrorists" with huge amounts of explosives roaming around on the ground in New York on September 11th ready to jump into action and attack whichever structures or buildings they were ordered to target?
The first, and most mysterious, piece of evidence to highlight comes from an actual transmission from audio from Channel 30 NYC, one of the emergency communications channels, on the morning of September 11 which makes reference to the discovery of a van full of explosives and two suspects located between 6th and 7th on King Street, some blocks away from the World Trade Center.
The bizarre thing about the transmission is that the responder makes reference to a mural painted on the side of the van depicting a "remote controlled plane" diving into New York City. A full transcript follows the audio:
Begin Transcript:
officer: [inaudible]
officer: 5 the message about the plane
officer: Sergeant [inaudible] seven five (Miller?)
officer: 5 [inaudible] about the, 10-5 the message about the plane
officer: 9414 hold up
officer: 5 the message about the remote-control plane
officer: [inaudible] on the air
officer: [inaudible]
officer: [inaudible]
officer: [inaudible] Trinity and Liberty… all city wide task force units are to respond to Liberty Trinity Place
officer: 10-4 the message is the plane [inaudible]
officer: [inaudible] task forces
c/o: [inaudible] and [inaudible] will be the mobilization point at this time [inaudible]
officer: 10-4 c/o central who is [inaudible]
officer: didn’t find any mention about the plane (alt: didn’t find any admission about the plane)
officer: central, we need the bomb squad and EAQ over at King and……background noise….click
officer: [inaudible]
officer: [inaudible] units
officer: [inaudible] on the air
officer: 9415 you on?
officer: 85[inaudible] this is uhh operator
officer: [inaudible]
officer: negat[inaudible]
officer: [inaudible] giving up these [inaudible] (planes?)
officer: [inaudible] I got a message on that uh plane,
it’s a big truck with a mural painted of a of a airplane diving into New York City
and exploding [inaudible] know what’s in the truck, the truck is in between 6th and 7th on King Street
officer: [inaudible]
officer: [inaudible]
officer: [inaudible]
officer: [inaudible] 10-5 10-5
officer: with a mural painted uh airplane diving into New York blowing up. Two men got outta the truck
ran away from it, we got those two [inaudible] under.
officer: kay great.
officer: [inaudible]
officer: [inaudible] are you holding those to guys [inaudible] (kay?)
multiple voices/commotion: [inaudible] fucking beat the shit out of him.
officer: [gasps]
multiple voices/commotion: [inaudible] fucking shit out of him [inaudible]
officer: all right listen you need any [inaudible] on those two guys over there? you all right over there kay?
officer: we got both suspects under kay, we have the suspects who drive…drove in the van and that exploded
we have both of them under kay let’s get some help over here
officer: now I’m sending you [inaudible] I just want to make sure you and your guys all right over there kay, that’s all.
officer: what’s the location [inaudible]
officer: put em up, put em up
officer: you know we have both the [inaudible] driven that exploded. Is that correct?
officer: what location?
officer: location [inaudible]
officer: [inaudible]
officer: [inaudible] location [inaudible]
officer: King Street between 6th and 7th
officer: King Street and 6th and 7th avenue, King Street and 6th and 7th avenue
officer: [inaudible] on the scene King 6 and 7, which unit are you kay?
officer: [inaudible]
officer: [inaudible]
officer: [inaudible] explosion
officer: which unit is on the scene at king street?
officer: truck to Manhattan
officer: [inaudible] 10 truck
officer: [inaudible] 10 truck is heading a team toward 14 Trinity Place
officer: all right you take care of that for me and get back to me
multiple voices: [inaudible]
officer: all right just check out that location let me know what you got
officer: [inaudible]4
officer: [inaudible] on the air
officer: on the air
officer: [inaudible]
officer: that fine with you?
officer: CIT Units on the air, CIT
officer: [inaudible] always available [inaudible] we’re talkin
The indication is that the suspects ran away when the van was stopped and were then apprehended following some sort of struggle. It is then stated that the van has actually exploded.
Naturally the strangeness of this audio clip has lead to questions concerning its authenticity, yet this was cleared up soon after the clip emerged sometime last year, when it was discovered that reference to the mural van was also made in the February 2006 Norman Y. Mineta International Institute for Surface Transportation Policy Studies (MTI) report entitled: “Saving City Lifelines: Lessons Learned in the 9-11 Terrorist Attacks”. The report states:
“There were continuing moments of alarm. A panel truck with a painting of a plane flying into the World Trade Center was stopped near the temporary command post. It proved to be rented to a group of ethnic Middle Eastern people who did not speak English. Fearing that it might be a truck bomb, the NYPD immediately evacuated the area, called out the bomb squad, and detained the occupants until a thorough search was made. The vehicle was found to be an innocent delivery truck.”
The Culhavoc blog site, which has covered this mystery in depth here, notes:
The MTI quote makes absolutely no mention of the truck exploding.
This report states that the truck was rented. Doesn’t the MTI find it interesting that middle eastern men rented a truck and painted it with a mural depicting an attack currently taking place blocks away? Why would someone paint a mural of WTC being attacked by planes on a rented van?
In addition if this was an "innocent delivery truck" why did the suspects attempt to run away?
We have two middle eastern men in a van with a mural on the side of New York being attacked by a plane diving into it on the same day as two planes are flown into the twin towers. Is this alone not suspicious enough to warrant a full explanation in the MTI report?
Something about the mural also must have caused the officer heard on the transmission to believe that it depicted a remote controlled airplane packed with explosives. The remote controlled plane comments are interesting when put into context side by side with Operation Northwoods, the now infamous 1962 plan by the Joint Chiefs to carry out terror attacks on American soil to be used as a pretext to invade Cuba.
What happened to these two men? Why was the apparent explosion of the vehicle never reported? And why was first responder audio stating the vehicle had exploded subsequently ignored by all the official investigations into 9/11?
More Roaming Explosive Vans in NY on 9/11
Another transcript of 9/11 police radio transmissions, originally obtained by memoryhole.org in 2005 through a Port Authority Freedom of Information Request, reveals a second separate mention of a van with “terrorists” and explosives:
CPD - Ch . 018 - Radio (Ch . W) LT Police
from page 148 of 1593 (in pdf pages)
http://www.thememoryhole.org/911/pa-transcripts/pa-transcript027.pdf
MALE C: Attention all 880(?) police units . Stand by for the (Inaudible) the Holland Tunnel . (01 :18:57)
MALE D : (Inaudible) copy .
MALE C : (Inaudible) from the Holland Tunnel exit, a tan Ford alpha van . New York tags . delta (Inaudible), November 8970 . Information has it this van was seen with possible terrorists in it, with explosives . That’s from the Holland Tunnel desk, (Inaudible) 32nd . It’s heading eastbound towards Le Havre(?) at this time . but they haven’t caught it yet, and it may be coming towards this way . (01 :19:25)
The Holland Tunnel exit is a few blocks from King between 6th and 7th.
Could this be the same van that exploded on King St. as was reported on NYPD radio or is it a completely different van?
Certainly if the van had a mural painted on its side one would assume any sightings would include a description of this also. This is not the case here however, which suggests this may be an altogether different white van with 'terrorists" and explosives.
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In a separate transcript first broadcast by NBC news, another mention is made of a white van with explosives and "terrorists" heading for the Holland Tunnel.
Dispatcher: Jersey City police.
Caller: Yes, we have a white van, 2 or 3 guys in there, they look like Palestinians and going around a building.
Caller: There's a minivan heading toward the Holland tunnel, I see the guy by Newark Airport mixing some junk and he has those sheikh uniform.
Dispatcher: He has what?
Caller: He's dressed like an Arab.
Based on that phone call, police then issued a "Be-on-the-Lookout" alert for a white mini-van heading for the city's bridges and tunnels from New Jersey.
Is this yet another white van or is it again the same one? It is somewhat strange that the caller describes the man or men as "dressed like an arab". Certainly there was no mention of out of the ordinary dress when the two suspects from the King St. incident were apprehended.
Furthermore, why would any potential terrorist attract attention to themselves by dressing out of the ordinary? Why would any potential terrorist paint a mural of an attack they know is going to happen that day on their vehicle? Were these sightings hoaxes or deliberate distractions or were there actually people carrying out these actions, and if so on who's orders were they acting and why were they being so blatant?
These reports are very strange but they are in the record on 9/11.
In addition to these Holland Tunnel reports, The Jerusalem Post and others also reported that a white van with a bomb was stopped as it approached the George Washington Bridge:
American security services overnight stopped a car bomb on the George Washington Bridge. The van, packed with explosives, was stopped on an approach ramp to the bridge. Authorities suspect the terrorists intended to blow up the main crossing between New Jersey and New York, Army Radio reported.
It was reported that two or three men were arrested and the van contained tonnes of explosives.
CBS's Dan Rather also reported on this, a video of which appears below:
Could these two incidents at the Holland Tunnel and the George Washington Bridge have involved the same white van and the same group of "terrorists"? The George Washington Bridge is several miles north of the Holland Tunnel. It certainly becomes clear that the suspects detained at the GW Bridge were not the same suspects detained in King St. with the mural on their van.
The Five Dancing Israelis Arrested On 9-11
Another often documented instance of suspicious individuals seen in a white van on 9/11 is that of the so called "Five Dancing Israelis". It was reported by the New York Times any many other outlets that Police received several calls from angry New Jersey residents on and after 9/11 claiming that a group of five "middle-eastern" men with a white van were videotaping the disaster with shouts of joy and mockery.
The following details are taken from whatreallyhappened.com's excellent datapage on this aspect of the story.
Some witnesses stated they saw the men set up video cameras aimed at the Twin Towers prior to the attack and were seen congratulating one another afterwards.
Witnesses saw them jumping for joy in Liberty State Park after the initial impact. Later on, other witnesses saw them celebrating on a roof in Weehawken, and still more witnesses later saw them celebrating with high fives in a Jersey City parking lot.
In each case the white van was mentioned and a group of three to five described. Could these reports have all pertained to the same group of middle easterners or was there more than one group?
It was reported by ABC, the New York Post and the New Jersey Bergen Record that police stopped a group of five men in a white van on a ramp near Route 3, which leads directly to the Lincoln Tunnel at around 4.30pm on 9/11.
The police and FBI field agents became very suspicious when they found maps of the city with certain places highlighted, box cutters (the same items that the hijackers supposedly used), $4700 cash stuffed in a sock, and foreign passports. Police also told the Bergen Record that bomb sniffing dogs were brought to the van and that they reacted as if they had smelled explosives.
The Jewish weekly The Forward reported that the FBI finally concluded that at least two of the detained Israelis were agents working for the Mossad, the Israeli intelligence agency, and that Urban Moving Systems, the ostensible employer of the five Israelis, was a front operation. This was confirmed by two former CIA officers, and they noted that movers' vans are a common intelligence cover. The Israelis were held in custody for 71 days before being quietly released.
It was also determined that the Israeli owner of Urban Moving Systems, Dominick Suter, dropped his business a few days after 9/11 and fled the country for Israel. He was in such a hurry to flee America that some of Urban Moving System's customers were left with their furniture stranded in storage facilities. Suter was later placed on the same FBI suspect list as Mohammed Atta and the 19 hijackers.
Several of the detainees discussed their experience in America on an Israeli talk show after their return home. Said one of the men, denying that they were laughing or happy on the morning of Sept. 11, "The fact of the matter is we are coming from a country that experiences terror daily. Our purpose was to document the event." How did they know there would be an event to document on 9/11? This is clear evidence of prior knowledge.
Below is a video of a report that includes footage of the afore mentioned Israeli chat show:
The fact that these men were exposed as Mossad agents raises the question, who were the other groups of middle eastern men spotted in white vans on 9/11 working for?
More Exploding Vans?
The following clip shows Jack Kelley a foreign war correspondent stating to USA today that the FBI believed that a truck full of explosives was parked beneath the buildings which exploded and weakened the structures aiding their complete collapse:
The next clip shows MSNBC news reporter Rick Sanchez stating that NYPD found suspicious devices and think a van with explosives was parked inside the WTC.
The next clip, which also contains the above two, shows many witnesses stating that they heard explosions inside and at the base of the buildings. It also contains MSNBC's Pat Dawson stating that the chief of safety for the New York City Fire Department had told him that they believed a secondary device had exploded somewhere inside one of the buildings:
So not only do we have reports of explosive vans from all over New York on 9/11, news reports also strongly suggest that the authorities believed that vans packed with explosives were used in the actual attack on the World Trade Center.
Another widely circulated report picked up by multiple mainstream outlets on 9/11 was the announcement by senior law officials within the State Department in Washington that a car bomb had exploded outside the their building.
The news anchors in the following British Channel 5 clip also make mention of a car bomb at the State Department and the bombing of a shopping mall in Washington DC.
These were not rumors generated as a result of "confusion" as is often the defense - the anchor cites a "senior U.S. law enforcement official" as the source. Why were these events reported and then never covered again?
It is commonly accepted that the breadth of the 9/11 attack was planned to be larger in scope because Flight 93 did not reach its target. Were the State Department and Washington Mall "bombings" intended to go ahead but for whatever reason failed or were called off? Was the media fed a script too early as in the case of Building 7, which was also reported to have collapsed by both the BBC and CNN up to 30 minutes before it actually fell?
By the evening of September 11, following a "perimeter walk around our building," the State Department publicly stated that no such bombing had taken place.
Why were senior State Department officials telling the media that there had been a bombing without even conducting a basic appraisal of the building's perimeter? Can this all be put down to "confusion" or were some elements of the 9/11 script changed according to how events were unfolding on the day?
Conclusion
There are reports from 9/11 of white vans with explosives and middle eastern suspects in at least eight different places in New York on that day:
King Street
nr. Holland Tunnel
nr. George Washington Bridge
nr. Lincoln Tunnel
Liberty State Park
Weehawken
Jersey City
World Trade Center
These locations are represented by the blue placemarks on the map (click for enlargement).
There were at least three different parties involved:
1. The Israeli group detained near the Lincoln Tunnel
2. The mural van pair detained on King Street
3. Whoever it was that was detained near the GW Bridge
None of these groups were dressed in Arab garb so, if the documented call to police stating this was authentic, there may have been another group.
There are many more witness statements and reports of exploding vehicles in and around ground zero on 9/11, far too many to go into detail about.
Were all these reports and statements, including the NYPD transmissions inaccurate or false alarms? Or do they represent evidence of 9/11 being a much larger scale operation than we have been led to believe? Were all the mysterious suspects "backup" in case the planes never reached their targets? Were some involved in bringing the towers down?
We can only speculate on who these people were, what their roles were and who they were working for, but once again it is clear that the whole truth as to what happened on the day that changed the world is far from being told.
Note: More transcripts from 9/11 can be found here. Independent researchers may wish to look through them. There may be more references to suspicious vehicles contained within this myriad of documentation.
tja,t is nog steeds niet boven water
Ik zet het ff hierbij:
911 voorspelt in de media!
More info: http://z13.invisionfree.com/THE_UNHIVED_MIND/index.php?showtopic=30196&st=0
Mortadelo y Filemón (Paling & Ko)
More interesting pictures here:
http://www.vyzygoth.com/photo.html
911 voorspelt in de media!
Notice the 9 next to the twin towers 11 on Lisa Simpson's magazine? How dare they have the audasity to use a dollar sign with the two lines. This was used for money which had backing not the fluff we have today. It also symbolised Isis. Today it has one line as its debt based money.
Now watch the movie from 1999 called Fight Club and watch the Towers fall.
Now notice how they attack the sphere monument in Fight Club.
Now whats inbetween the Twin Towers? "THE SPHERE" which is really a representation of the ancient Caananite God, EL otherwise known as Saturn.
More info: http://z13.invisionfree.com/THE_UNHIVED_MIND/index.php?showtopic=30196&st=0
Notice this within the Superman comic SEPTEMBER 12 2001 issue.
The Coup came up with that album cover prior to 9/11
Mortadelo y Filemón (Paling & Ko)
More interesting pictures here:
http://www.vyzygoth.com/photo.html
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Wat was het eerste waar men aan dacht met hoge gebouwen?
Juist, vliegtuigen die er in konden vliegen. Niet zo gek dat dat idee speelt met de menselijke fantasie..
Toeval dus..
Juist, vliegtuigen die er in konden vliegen. Niet zo gek dat dat idee speelt met de menselijke fantasie..
Toeval dus..
Uitspraak van verwijderd op maandag 6 augustus 2007 om 17:12:Juist, vliegtuigen die er in konden vliegen. Niet zo gek dat dat idee speelt met de menselijke fantasie..
Damn, zovéél toevalligheden.
Mmm, wat een toeval!
"Als dit universum in zijn miljoenvoudige orde en precisie
het resultaat van een blind toeval zou zijn, dan is dat net zo
geloofwaardig als wanneer een drukkerij explodeert
en alle druklettertjes weer op de grond terecht komen
in de voltooide en foutloze vorm van het woordenboek."
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Uitspraak van verwijderd op maandag 6 augustus 2007 om 19:00:Damn, zovéél toevalligheden.
Mmm, wat een toeval
Als je alle cijfers ooit in beeld gebracht in de geschiedenis van de film naast elkaar legt denk ik dat je de hele kalender 101 keer kan vullen.
Wat mij dan weer opvalt is dat in jouw link de bekende blockbusters veel voorkomen als "bewijs".
Oftewel als je zoekt vindt je antwoorden, als je niet zoekt gaat het langs je heen. Ik denk dat elke willekeurige datum evenvaak in beeld is gekomen als 911.
Uitspraak van verwijderd op maandag 6 augustus 2007 om 19:00:"Als dit universum in zijn miljoenvoudige orde en precisie
het resultaat van een blind toeval zou zijn,
dan is dat net zo geloofwaardig als wanneer een drukkerij explodeert
en alle druklettertjes weer op de grond terecht komen
in de voltooide en foutloze vorm van het woordenboek."
We hebben het hier over populair culture waarin de aanwijzing voor een terroristische aanslag in verweven zou zijn.
Niet over evolutie, oerknallen of wat je er ook mee probeert te zeggen.
Beetje vreemd dat het toch altijd de Twin Towers betreft en niet de Sears Tower ofzo, vind je niet?
"Ware deugd doet zich nooit als deugd voor."
"Ware deugd doet zich nooit als deugd voor."
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Uitspraak van verwijderd op maandag 6 augustus 2007 om 23:59:We hebben het hier over populair culture waarin de aanwijzing voor een terroristische aanslag in verweven zou zijn
zelfs zo pupulair, dat een dozijn veiligehidsdiensten(isi,mossaad en ga zo nog maar een tijdje door) de VS al een paar maanden van te voren waren ingelicht......
Uitspraak van verwijderd op dinsdag 7 augustus 2007 om 12:25:Beetje vreemd dat het toch altijd de Twin Towers betreft en niet de Sears Tower ofzo, vind je niet?
De Twin Towers waren het symbool van de VS, en ik denk dat als de Sears Towers aangevallen waren op 17 november er opeens net zoveel dubieuze afbeeldingen van de Sears Towers op zouden duiken.
Die ziet alleen niemand, want de Sears Tower is nooit aangevallen.
Uitspraak van verwijderd op dinsdag 7 augustus 2007 om 16:29:ik denk dat als de Sears Towers aangevallen waren op 17 november er opeens net zoveel dubieuze afbeeldingen van de Sears Towers op zouden duiken.
daarom hebben ze Sears ook niet opgeblazen, omdat het geen:
Uitspraak van verwijderd op dinsdag 7 augustus 2007 om 16:29:symbool van de VS
is, iig niet zoals de twins dat waren...
dat zou nooit de impact gehad hebben die het nu heeft gehad. Deze gasten zijn ziek, en geloof maar wel dat de media er van alles afwist...aangezien de hoogste personen van de; Times, the Post en zo nog een paar, altijd aanwezig waren bij de gesprekken over het opzetten van een 'one world government'.
Nu is het nog aan jou om er onderzoek naar te doen ipv er maar van uit te gaan dat het toeval is dat de media ogenschijnlijk alle knowhad had van wat er ging gebeuren en dit zo nu en dan liet doorschemeren via allerlei manieren....
Divide and conquer is waar zij zich in gespecialiseerd hebben, om maar even in het jargon van Zeitgeist te blijven
'k zou 'm eens gaan kijken, voor alle sceptici onder ons...
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Geld en voorkennis van 11 september 2001
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Rienk Kamer legt uit wat de economische situatie in amerika en in de wereld is.
en Jean Pierre van Rossem vertelt over voorkennis op de beurs van de aanslagen op 11 september 2001.
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Rienk Kamer legt uit wat de economische situatie in amerika en in de wereld is.
en Jean Pierre van Rossem vertelt over voorkennis op de beurs van de aanslagen op 11 september 2001.
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