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In 1992/1993 leek het erop dat ook Duitsland een belangrijke speler zou worden in de hardcore/gabber-wereld. Er kwamen veel harde producties vandaan die hier erg populair waren. Artiesten als DJ Dick, Marusha, Speedfreak, Rotterdam Native, PCP, Roland BPM stonden op de Nightmare-feesten in de Energiehal, Rotterdam.
Bekende namen uit de Duitse-scene brachten hard werk uit, namen als Interactive, DJ Hooligan, Genlog, Hardsequencer, Sequential One. En toen ineens was het over. De harde sound verdween en werd verruild voor trance en techno. Op grote feesten als Mayday werd hardcore geboycot na de "Judgement Day"-editie in 1993. Artiesten als Lenny Dee en PCP werden op dat feest "getreiterd" door de organisatie. Vandaar de track van deze 2 namen: Leathernecks - At War



Hardcore werd toen underground in Duitsland. PCP bleef trouw aan de hardcore, net als The Speedfreak.
In Nederland werd de sound softer en happy hardcore zag het licht. In Duitsland werden hardtrance en de zogenaamde "rave" sound populair. Artiesten als RMB, Westbam, Dune, Mark'Oh, Raver's Nature, Microwave Prince, Sunbeam scoorden hits. Het groeide dus weer een beetje naar elkaar toe.

In 1994 ontstonden er in Duitsland ook steeds meer underground labels met een harde gabbersound (terror), bijvoorbeeld Strike Records en Fischkopf Hamburg. In vergelijking met Nederland is Duitsland altijd veel harder geweest. In Berlijn bevond zich de hardste club ter wereld; de Bunker. Ook kende Berlijn de Fuck Parade, de harde tegenhanger van de Love Parade. De in de Nederland begonnen compilatieserie Terrordrome werd later (vanaf deel 4) door de Duitsers overgenomen.



De Nederlandse sound in de hoogtijdagen van de hardcore (1996/1997) is naar mijn weten nooit in Duitsland aangeslagen. Mike Oh'Man van European Hardcore United was wel bekend bij ons maar voor de rest waren er niet echt nieuwe noemenswaardige Duitse hardcoreproducers in die tijd.

Speedcore kent/kende ook een redelijk grote aanhang in Duitsland. United Speedcore Nation en later Braindestruction Recordz zijn hele bekende en belangrijke labels voor het genre (geweest).


Eigenlijk dus jammer dat daar nooit een echte grote hardcore-scene is ontstaan zoals bij ons of Italie...

Wat vinden jullie? Aanvullende informatie?
Uitspraak van Destino op zondag 5 augustus 2012 om 21:44:
in West Germany (where I live)

Can you name some artists / dj's / labels from your area?
Love is the answer > Topbijdragen!

Oude Duitse Piano-muziek ;)



Uitspraak van Epistaxis op dinsdag 7 augustus 2012 om 06:59:
Can you name some artists / dj's / labels from your area?

Of course... the biggest and baddest motherfuckers around should be me and my homey. :D http://partyflock.nl/artist/66434:Destroy_your_Destiny

To be serious... I live at the border to NL geographically in between Arnhem and Nijmegen. ;) The scene here always was and is based on the Dutch scene. The only artists from here whom made a name throughout the years should be Masters Of Noise: https://partyflock.nl/artist/1828:Masters_of_Noise
The main man behind this project also organizes the biggest Hardcore events in Germany today, like Army Of Hardcore in the Turbinenhalle Oberhausen and many others.

Köln also lies in Nordrhein-Westfalen so E-De-Cologne was also a memoriable artist at some point. :) Also DJ Hooligan from Bottrop.

In 1994 Mike Oh Man made a name with his European Hardcore United label and partys and also many cooperations with ID&T.

After that DJ Ron started Pump This Party (P.T.P.) and invented the Nightmare in Germany events and many other big partys besides his record label (with Baby Raw, The Profiler, Ultimate Warlords, DJ Fozz-4, The Depudee, DJ Mystery, Ezkimo, a.m.o...).

The Solar Eclipse label also was located in NRW in the "Ruhrgebiet" (the biggest scene within the whole country) to be more exact.

Today Important Records in Essen is the biggest supporter of Hardcore/Gabber in Germany. http://www.important-records.net/
They host many labels and try to give new talent a chance to release their music.

At the moment acts like Embrionyc, Raum 107, Stocker, Hurricane DJ/Millenia Beatz, KPX, Jane Ephex, S.T.U.R.M., Squaresoundz, R’cee, D-Ceptor, Newstyler, Thorax, Tensor & Re-Direction, Suspect Zero, Pzyco Beat Project, Stuffmaker, Corruptive Chaos, Zorc & Sha-Kaal would be the ones for me who should be mentioned. :)
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Again great information, thanks!

I'm gonna ask some German guys on YouTube how they look at their scene nowadays (already 2 replies):

RCS0815 said: There are some interesting parties here in Germany, especially in East Germany.....­there are the hard underground parties i like........­for example:

PHAUSTFACK #­ 1 presented by the SAXONY SPEEDCORE FORCE &­ NH3
at the Triebwerk Dresden / Eastgermany

So I checked this site from Saxony Speedcore Force, and I saw this text saying "Fuck Planet Weichcore". Is this a reaction on Nordcore 'Planet Hartcore'-thing? I know Bakalla made a track named "Weichcore".

Love that track by Schwanzgefecht!




CzumS said: The scene is still alive.­ There are many partys all over Germany.­
But if you wanna have an "­oldschool party"­, you have to wait for it.­
Just a few little party's with early sounds, called "­Raveland"­ or "­Oldschool Madness"­ for example.­
The party's were made by "­Corestyle Entertainment"­ or "­UHM"­ ..­
There are more mainstyle or terror/frenchcore party's.­
Here are many dj's but not so many producers in Germany.­
Do you know "­Raum 107"­ darkcore sounds with German lyrics.­

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Uitspraak van Epistaxis op woensdag 8 augustus 2012 om 16:01:
Is this a reaction on Nordcore 'Planet Hartcore'-thing? I know Bakalla made a track named "­Weichcore".­

Don't think so. It's just a word play. :)
Weichcore =­ weakcore/softcore? Referring to happy hardcore or Dutch style in general?
Uitspraak van Epistaxis op woensdag 8 augustus 2012 om 16:13:
Weichcore =­ weakcore/softcore? Referring to happy hardcore or Dutch style in general?

Yes... Some dudes over here always want to be the hardest. ^^
I haven't seen the Kick Down label yet. I have 2 records, both from Terror Arnold
I don't know about the rest, but Terror in Frankfurt still is a classic, brings me way back :)



Maybe not real hardcore, but very nice if you ask me; Planoforce - listen to me and Miro - Rising high :)




What about this one; Ebe Company - Lightning



Miro is my fav, also as Stickhead
But also mr Damm with his sick sampling and acid sounds (y) But then i mostly prefer Biochip C

What always occurred to me is that in Germany the best melodies are made if you ask me.
Dark, minor, happy, no matter what style, a lot of tracks with great atmosphere..
Stickhead for example is some really hard shit, but the atmosphere in those tracks, damn!
When I bought PCP - Bigger Bolder Better in 1996, I was a bit surprised, being used to Thunderdomes
I did listen to Terrordromes before that, but kotzaak/PCP was really different :) Almost hypnotizing
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oh dat wist ik dan weer niet :D die hebben ook een paar leuke tracks gemaakt
veel jatwerk, maar ach, wie deed dat niet destijds

iemand trouwens enig idee waar het melodietje van Let's go vandaan komt?
ik had het eens ergens gezien, maar vergeten



Lekker rave the city klappertje
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Is hier van ;)

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Uitspraak van Epistaxis op woensdag 8 augustus 2012 om 16:13:
Weichcore =­ weakcore/softcore? Referring to happy hardcore or Dutch style in general?

dan geef ik m groot gelijk:P

Uitspraak van Destino op woensdag 8 augustus 2012 om 16:15:
Yes...­ Some dudes over here always want to be the hardest.­

harder than Holland in that time was soooo easy
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Uitspraak van DJ HARDNOIZE op maandag 6 augustus 2012 om 12:02:
huh is Strike records er ook mee gestopt?

Ja bizar hé, dat label was een aantal jaren geleden echt wel populair. Met I:Gor, Detest, Raw State, Max Death. Goed label, wel aardig wat platen van liggen.

Dat label waar C-Tank Nightmares are reality op is uitgekomen is gewoon nog steeds actief, Overdrive records http://www.discogs.com/label/Overdrive

Nog 2 labels van Miro waar beide maar 1 of 2 releases op uit zijn gebracht

Redirect Records
FW Recordings http://www.discogs.com/label/FW+Recordings
Uitspraak van Destino op woensdag 8 augustus 2012 om 15:25:
To be serious...­ I live at the border to NL geographically in between Arnhem and Nijmegen.­

Have you ever visited the Turn it up/2insanity parties in Elten?
Uitspraak van nano.strike op donderdag 9 augustus 2012 om 08:32:
Have you ever visited the Turn it up/2insanity parties in Elten?

Haha, yes Elten was da shit! :D Had a lot of fun there 97/98 and 2000. After that the Ranger-Legion ruined the atmosphere. ;)
That's funny, i've been there myself a couple of times as well. And yes, those "rangers" (these must be the "wrong" gabbers), indeed messed things up. Though It was very hilarious to see with what kind of clothing they showed up each time.. :p
Uitspraak van Tumult op donderdag 9 augustus 2012 om 08:12:
Ja bizar hé, dat label was een aantal jaren geleden echt wel populair.­ Met I:Gor, Detest, Raw State, Max Death.­ Goed label, wel aardig wat platen van liggen.­

das minder
ik heb er ook een boel platen van, zowel oude als nieuwere
Uitspraak van Destino op donderdag 9 augustus 2012 om 12:47:
After that the Ranger-Legion ruined the atmosphere.­

Ranger-Legion?
Uitspraak van nano.strike op donderdag 9 augustus 2012 om 12:53:
That's funny, i've been there myself a couple of times as well.­ And yes, those "­rangers"­ (these must be the "­wrong"­ gabbers), indeed messed things up.­ Though It was very hilarious to see with what kind of clothing they showed up each time..­

Cool. :) Yes these "wanna-be-Nazis" fucked things up there.
After Elten, DJ Mad had a new regulary location in Emmerich for a short time but it didn't catched up to the old venue.
Uitspraak van Destino op donderdag 9 augustus 2012 om 13:10:
After Elten, DJ Mad had a new regulary location in Emmerich for a short time but it didn't catched up to the old venue.­

That's right, The Pyramide. I payed it one or two visits, but it was far to big and trendy. The only time it was packed with people, was during some Speedrazor vs ..?.. event.
Uitspraak van nano.strike op donderdag 9 augustus 2012 om 13:22:
That's right, The Pyramide.­ I payed it one or two visits, but it was far to big and trendy.­ The only time it was packed with people, was during some Speedrazor vs ..­?..­ event.­

Yes the Speedrazor vs. Thunderscream CD Release Party. :) Was there too. After that it was quiet for some years with Hardcore in our area. I guess Q-Base was the next big thing here. And in 2006 the Army of Hardcore events at the "World Center" in Kleve.
Uitspraak van Epistaxis op donderdag 9 augustus 2012 om 13:04:
Ranger-Legion?

­

;)
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Uitspraak van Destino op donderdag 9 augustus 2012 om 13:28:
After that it was quiet for some years with Hardcore in our area.­

There was this one-shot party in Wesel, but it turned out real bad. As you can see, the line up was very expensive and the venue could hold like 800 people (as far as i can remember). Only about 50 visitors showed up. Very painfull to watch and i felt terrible for the organisation.

https://partyflock.nl/party/31264:Krank_Im_Kopf

> Sorry for trashing the topic btw, i will hold back from now on.. :)
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Uitspraak van nano.strike op donderdag 9 augustus 2012 om 13:46:
There was this one-shot party in Wesel, but it turned out real bad.­ As you can see, the line up was very expensive and the venue could hold like 800 people (as far as i can remember).­ Only about 50 visitors showed up.­ Very painfull to watch and i felt terrible for the organisation.­

You're right! :) Totally forgot about Wesel. I even was one of the 50 visitors. :D I remember dancing nearly alone to Ophidian's set. ^^
There also were many events 2000-2005 at the Empire in Wesel. Hardcore Revolution, Hellraiser...

nah, we're still quite on-topic. :p
Uitspraak van Destino op donderdag 9 augustus 2012 om 13:53:
nah, we're still quite on-topic. :p

haha, you're right, the topic title doesn't say it's only about sharing music facts, so let's go.. ;)

I've never been to the Empire, did you? At that time i slowely walked away from being a "full-time" gabber as well, so i stopped following the new developments in the party-scene.
Uitspraak van nano.strike op donderdag 9 augustus 2012 om 14:06:
I've never been to the Empire, did you? At that time i slowely walked away from being a "­full-time"­ gabber as well, so i stopped following the new developments in the party-scene.­

Yes I have been there many times. I even played there once in 2008. Nice venue but somehow the events got crowded lesser throughout the years so they stopped organizing partys there.

At the moment there is nothing going on here besides acts like Korsakoff or Angerfist playing once in a while at E-Dry in Geldern, well and Q-Base every year.
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I see. However, in Oberhausen there are still events being organized. I guess that city won't be to far away from your place. :)
That's true. But I don't hear this kind of stuff what's being played there. Ik luister voraal naar moeilijke musik. :p
Haha, good shot, but you missed the bulls' eye! :) My turn now: "Ich höre nur schwierige musik an". Ist das richtig oder falsch? :p
Uitspraak van nano.strike op vrijdag 10 augustus 2012 om 02:00:
Haha, good shot, but you missed the bulls' eye! :) My turn now: "Ich höre nur schwierige musik an". Ist das richtig oder falsch? :p

Kommt auf die persönliche Interpretation an. :D
 
Uitspraak van Destino op maandag 6 augustus 2012 om 11:54:
The Devil's Brood

This is/was Moleculez's label right? Some reall nice releases on there!
Uitspraak van Tumult op donderdag 9 augustus 2012 om 08:12:
Ja bizar hé, dat label was een aantal jaren geleden echt wel populair.­ Met I:Gor, Detest, Raw State, Max Death.­

Denk dat dat juist het probleem was, het werd het zoveelste 13 in 1 dozijn nieuwe UK-8ige Hardcore labeltje, met te veel (dramatisch kutte) releases in een te korte tijd.
Terwijl het daarvoor een no nonsense Terror label was, met gewoon lomp niet op de dansvloer gericht spul, met af en toe een release.

[edit] Cool topic trouwens inderdaad! (Y)
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Uitspraak van verwijderd op dinsdag 14 augustus 2012 om 17:43:
This is/was Moleculez's label right? Some reall nice releases on there!

Yes, definitely. :)
Scum records had je ook nog, opgericht door stormtrooper en cipher.­

Ooit nog eens een live cd van cipher@­hell or heaven gekocht, lang niet gedraaid, maar herinner me dat ie knetterhard is.­
was Mescalinum United - We Have Arrived nou de eerste hardcore achtige plaat die er was ?????????
Uitspraak van <DEREK> op woensdag 15 augustus 2012 om 03:41:
was Mescalinum United - We Have Arrived nou de eerste hardcore achtige plaat die er was ?????????

in principe wel:)


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Duitse hardcore is dood.­ ^^­
Warum?
Uitspraak van Epistaxis op zondag 5 augustus 2012 om 09:25:
Op grote feesten als Mayday werd hardcore geboycot na de "­Judgement Day"­-editie in 1993

Feitelijk klopt dit niet. PCP had een probleem met Mayday organisatie omdat ze minder lang mochten optreden dan was afgesproken. En pas na 94 ging hardcore er uit. Zo was in mei 1994 Paul er nog.
Uitspraak van Tumult op maandag 16 maart 2020 om 09:16:
Warum?

Festival bullshit rules everything now. The mainstream took total control. There is no real german scene anymore like in the 90s or the millennium era. As good as no independent labels. Most of the well known acts release their stuff on foreign ones. For me it's dead...

There still are a lot of events and DJs but all like Angerfist, N-Vitral, Uptempo, you name it... ;)
Uitspraak van Love is the answer op dinsdag 17 maart 2020 om 12:48:
Er is toch een redelijke terror scene?

Not really. Small parties for 100 people in Berlin and Hamburg. And Fuck Parade once a year. That's it.