Iemand bekend met het goedje Mephedrone (4-Methylmethcathinone)
klinkt niet goed, dus nee
is dat niet zo'n goedkope Russische vervanging voor MDMA?
Nu MDMA hard to get is, zie en hoor je overal vreemde middelen opduiken. Grappig 
Nog nooit gehoord van 't spulletje, is het wat ?
Nog nooit gehoord van 't spulletje, is het wat ?
best goed spul hoor! behoorlijk eufonische werking, vrij populair ook behalve in NL eigenlijk
Je spreekt uit eigen hand begrijp ik
Werkt het kort/lang. Waar lijkt het op etc. etc.
Brand los
Werkt het kort/lang. Waar lijkt het op etc. etc.
Brand los
In Engeland is het al een tijdje erg populair, het is ook vrij eenvoudig online te verkrijgen en niet al te duur. (10-20 eu p/g)
Nog niet verboden, zal wel niet al te lang meer duren. Zou hier ook best eens een gorte hit kunnen worden.
Nog niet verboden, zal wel niet al te lang meer duren. Zou hier ook best eens een gorte hit kunnen worden.
laatste aanpassing
Je spreekt uit eigen hand begrijp ik
Werkt het kort/lang. Waar lijkt het op etc. etc.
Brand los
Heb het ook al een aantal keer op en dit is echt een van de beter rc's, het is idd eurforisch maar minder dan mdma maar heeft wel die vaagheid van een te hoge dosis (kan dat?) mdma en is ook vrij stimulerend maar minder dan pep. Dosis is 100-200mg een duurt zo'n 2-3 uur.
mocht ik het tegenkomen dan eens proberen 
heb net 2 gr besteld online voor 30 euro.
ben benieuwd of het wat is heb zeer goede berichten over gehoord.
ben benieuwd of het wat is heb zeer goede berichten over gehoord.
Let me just start things off by saying this drug is by far the most heavenly, euphoria-inducing, orgasmic experience I have ever felt.
- weight - 155lbs
- average height for my weight (5'10")
- average/above average tolerence to alcohol
- average reaction to everything I try
- drug use in week following experience: 2.5g's of Ketamine spread throughout the week, marijuana smoked for half or less of the days within the past week.
9:45pm - Dose ~200mg (in distilled H2O) in a shot with root beer. Even in like the root beer, it was intensely bitter (maybe like ½ that of DXM HBr powder). I held my nose and didn’t taste it, but it’d of been really bitter and nasty if I did. Worse than methylone (which was drinkable in a like water), but it went down easy and smooth.
9:50pm – I’m feeling a little nauseous. But really it’s just because I didn’t know whether to expect it. The feeling seemed psychosomatic as it disappeared within 5-10 minutes and started about 5 minutes after ingestion). Take 2 huge bong rips of momma kush (and another smaller one)
10pm - feel odd, heart rate seems fast and hard. Like highly so but I am not worried. So I am probably fine.
10:07pm - heart rate seems like it’s gotten a little harder. I should have taken Vitamin C. I will now. Maybe I can safe myself a little.
10:10pm - starting to feel VERY euphoric and a really nice body high. Reminds me of methylone a little (the body high), but far more orgasmic. Lots of teeth grinding, I'm watching that. Took 2 vitamin C, gagged on the 3rd, will try now.
(beginning of peak) 10:11pm - take the 3rd. Three grams of Vitamin C (now drank .25L of water since 9:45pm) should help protect my brain against the obvious neurotoxicity of something like 4-methylmethcathinone. I've read some insane shit about this stuff.
10:15pm - heartbeat feels less POUNDING and faster. I feel better about that. I feel INCREDOBLE. Music sounds amazing. This is extremely immensely euphoric like holy fuck. Better than methylone I think.
10:20pm - Feel amazing. Seems to have topped out. I seem to be peaking.
10:28pm - music appreciation is through the roof. Music is amazing. FUCKING AMAZING. I'm dancing and shit in the chair. (Love On My Mind (Original DJ Hope Mixshow Edit) // Freemasons Feat. Amanda Wilson)
10:37pm - going STRONG. Goddamn the body high is just fantastic, as is the mental high. Not as stoning as methylone, it’s nice. Methylone can be a little stimulating on the body and stoning on the mind, which can be a little difficult.
10:45pm - Seems to be lapses in euphoria, still peaking though. Taking another 100mg same as before.
10:52pm - starting to feel even more incredible. Vision is doing weird things. Eyeball twitching whatever that's called scientifically (nystigmus). Ugh I am in fucking heaven x1,000,000,000!!!
(peaking + beg. of 2nd peak) 10:54pm - Experiencing strongest euphoria I have experienced in anything I've EVER done. Holy fuck!!! What a ride!!!! If I compared 4-methylmethcathinone in nothing but euphoria with methylone, formally one of the most euphoric things I've done (oxycodone to a lesser extent, LSD and shrooms have been the most blissful), 2-4x realistically. Imagine 2-4 TIMES the intensity. Heart beating hard. BPM 190. DAMN!!! Fucking HELL that's high.
11:00pm - Complete body orgasm just raging on and on. Powerful mind orgasiming along with infinite bliss. Absolute INSANITY. Moved the report to Word. Mental tasks remain a breeze. Body high feels like a continuous furious orgasm.
11:05pm – put on headphones and am rocking out with the music LOUD. Euphoria is too much to describe in words. Unfuckingreal. Don’t even call it euphoria, call it orgasm. This stuff must REALLY FUCK the dopamine receptors. I hope I don’t crash unbelievably hard. Experience is highly preferable over methylone and MDA.
11:13pm – Rocking the fuck out. Orgasiming still, haha. Music is pretty damn awesome. I am fucked up, and would not be able to act normally. Walking is odd and the body high is a bit heavy in a light way.
11:15pm – put on Foo Fighter’s album One By One. Awesome album. Mouth has been drying and reminding me to drink water often, I don’t remember otherwise, lucky me J. Like ever 3-4 mins. Take some gulps.
11:25pm – just spent 3 minutes bolding the times, adding PM’s and a sentence at the beginning. Doing things is a breeze mentally.
11:38pm – Enjoying the hell out of myself. Talking to people on AIM and posting on HF (haha). I’ve been switching around to dance, trance, and rock.
11:43pm – Lots of teeth grinding. I’m managing to keep it to a small amount, but I am grinding lightly a little bit. Jaw is constantly moving. I can do anything I want/need to do if I concentrate even a little (Has been this way throughout entire experience), though I wouldn’t drive on this. I drove on methylone and did completely fine but I wouldn’t on this.
11:49pm – Water is highly necessary. I automatically remember every 3-5 minutes or so minutes. It makes you REALLY thirsty when it comes time. It would be easy to forget if I was ‘clubbing’, haha.
11:55pm – I think physical activity, like dancing or anything like that, would easily get extremely tiring. It’s not the pot because I went away 5 minutes. Maybe it was but I’m on a powerful empathogen.
12:00am – Still peaking strongly. All effects have been constant since I came up. 100mg’s was the perfect booster. Moving feels amazing.
(2h 10m since 1st peak started) 12:21am – Talking to people online is fantastic. No overwhelming need for physical company like with methylone. BPM: 155. I’ve never measured BPM before but I read a lot about this drug being pretty hard on the heart. It’s interesting to know I’m probably going to start coming down soon.
12:26am – Tactile sensation is fantastic. Much more so than with methylone. The blankets and pillows on my couch make me happy when I touch them. Heh >_>
12:28am – Since like 12:15 I’ve felt pretty hot, like it’s maybe 77-80F in here when it’s actually It’s 68-70F. I’ve drank a liter of water so far and half a can of root beer (6 ounces – 177mL). Water does a better job, obviously. Can’t waste root beer though! Taste has not really been enhanced that much.
1:02am – I hadn’t really lost track of time. I’m holding like 3 or so conversations at the moment. I closed this because it was getting glitch-y and forgot to open it. I was hot for like 10 minutes. Started to get hot again, this time more like 75F (if that was the room temp).
1:06pm – BPM: 130-140. I’m using a stopwatch for these. Amount of beats in six seconds times ten, taking an average of 3 quick trials. Hotness has lessened.
(~2h since 2nd peak started) 1:15pm – Time is not as dilated as it was. 10 minutes felt like awhile. Though I won’t put any minutes for that because it’s more like you just don’t notice t.he cock. I don’t want to give people expectations. Euphoria has diminish by maybe 5-8% overall
1:30am – Have drunk like 1.5L of water now. I sort of lost track. 1.5-2L. Not nearly enough
1:35am - I’ve really irritated by upper lips and the skin right above them with the tongue thing that tends to happen on all stimulants when you take a lot. It gets red. It comes from your mouth drying out and it’s all rough without the saliva to lubricate it. I put on some pomegranate Burt’s Bee’s, the best ‘lip balm’ ever =).
1:40am – Experience is still going on 85% of the high point in the peak (estimation obviously). Pulse is 140. I wish I could’ve measured my blood pressure but I haven’t noticed any of the side effects that come with that (messed up vision, feeling the general discomfort, tingling, etc).
1:50am - I was hoping to get 3-4 good hours so I ‘m happy. It will probably last another 1-1.5h without diminishing below %70-75 unless it drops off really fast at one point. I’m sort of expecting a mix between the 2. I remember people saying this has no comedown. But I boosted with half the original dose so here’s hoping.
1:55am – Writing and holding sober-literate conversations has been a breeze. I tend to ramble a lot though, as you can probably tell. In real life, it would probably be tougher. Though speaking is not difficult right now. It feels a lot like the mental clarity of some extremely pure speed, but much more flowing.
2:15am – Still feel a good 75% of the drug raging. Euphoria is still quite powerful and there is still a lot of rushing. 4h 30m since original dose and everything is still strong. I find it very odd I don’t feel alone on this, though I have been talking with like 8 or 9 people during the course of the effects. With methylone I felt I HAD to be with someone else. Dosed 200mg’s, came up, ands HAD to drive to ex’s house (not an ex then, lol).
2:40am – It’s easy to forget to drink water, especially if you’re actually doing something (like out somewhere). Make a point in your mind to sip every couple of minutes and that you will probably forget if you don’t implant that into your brain before you come up. Doing any mental task has been pretty easy and quick (Conversations, math (simple), writing, etc.). Though I can ramble about anything I start talking about. It’s more like an anti-ADD drug. Switching often and staying intensely focused on what you’re doing at that moment only.
2:45am – I can’t believe this. It’s been 5h/4h since dose/booster and still going quite strong, though it’s starting to go away a little in ways I can’t really place my finger on. Slight anxiety noticed. It would be worse and prevalent if I was around anyone who didn’t know I was on it and would be annoyed at me for it.
3:00am - Had 2.5L of water over the experience. I’d of probably had a liter more if I remembered more often. The thirst is enough to remind you when you switch things you’re doing and aren’t so heavily focused on what you’re doing. Body is beginning to feel physical fatigue in all muscles. BPM before smoke (last measure was at 1:06 @ 130-140): ~145. It has not decreased much over the past few hours. Going to take a few rips of Kush. I still feel GREAT and am not using the weed for a ‘comedown’ at this point.
3:20am – Finally hit 3 huge rips of the Kush in the gravity bong. Euphoria of the 4-MMC was at slightly more than half the peak feelings. This is very strange. It’s most than likely the booster? It’s almost like it’ll just weaken until it goes away. And maybe not produce a brutal crash or comedown, or any.
3:28am – Pretty stoned. I love how gravity bong hits develop. Now I just feel retarded in the head. 4-MMC is still somewhat euphoric, decent amount of rushing. I can’t believe I’ve seen sitting at the PC all this time, or most of it. Eh I like to get a feel for it in my basement where if something happens I’ll be fine.
3:45am – 6h/5h since dose/booster. Pretty much the fun part is over, as it slowly keeps getting less euphoric and more anxious. Not too bad, but I guess compared to being on 4-MMC, sobriety would feel like anxiety and shit, plus the neurotransmitter drain. The pulse rate topping at 190BPM for me when my pulse rate maximum is 200bpm for my age (supposedly 220 – age = max heart rate) is pretty scary, even though I’m pretty healthy and fairly active and that’s just general. At this point I suppose it becomes life threatening or damaging internal side effects might occur (some 4-8 hours? Of 190-150bpm? And it goes back up with weed?). I wouldn’t take another dose because I feel I’ve strained my heart more than enough. I did that too much with d-amphetamine. Pulse rate is back up to ~175bpm. I figured weed does this to me when I’m pretty high, that’s why I’m only smoking a few hits.
4am – If you didn’t notice. Writing is awesome on 4-MMC. Thoughts flow easily and quickly. Pulse @ 160bpm. I’m still pretty active and hyper, but I’m sitting down. Still lots of jaw movement like teeth grinding, constantly licking lips when not fully hydrated (happens on moderate doses on amphetamine) and just general effects of being cracked out on a powerful stimulant. Music has lost it’s empathogenic tone. Music sounds pretty normal now. I’m Still pretty euphoric between the weed and the receding 4-MMC effects.
4:10am – Pulse @ 140-150bpm. Chest is sore in the heart region. Feels like the heart itself.
4:20am – Eh the anxiety has gotten worse. The weed is keeping things fine though, at least it seems. It’s fairly bad when I concentrate on it. It’s like an intense loneliness because you feel so chemically (and therefore emotionally) drained, and surprisingly still not missing real life people so much. I feel a light emptiness (emotional). Thank god for marijuana!
4:30am – The 4-methylmethcathinone is definitely wearing off. It’s leaving behind super milked receptors. It’d be cool if I just had some l-tyrosine, as I don’t feel like eating. Waves of moderate anxiety noticed every 3-5 minutes. Cotton mouth from these things combined has made it nearly impossible to keep moist very well. It was one hell of a ride, just orgasm in drug form. As long as you can supplement the comedown with l-tyrosine and 5-HTP (probably would be helpful), and have weed or maybe benzos on hand. Careful….
4:36am – Pulse @150bpm
4:45am – 7h/6h since dose/booster (200mg/100mg) . Overall, while it was complete heaven in nearly every way, I’m going to try 150mg/100mg(75?) next dose. I think it’s a little too much on the heart at 300 total. I can’t believe boosting made it go for so long. Pulse @ 140bpm. I seem to be peeing out a lot of the water I’m drinking. Blah.
4:54am – Peed. Feel much better. I don’t care to get up until it’s really urgent, lol. This post-peak period from like .
5:16am - In much of the time I’m not physically typing, I’m reviewing, changing and fixing this report like crazy. It definitely makes you extremely motivated to do work, in a sort of half-insane, cracked out way. I’ve been fine sitting down a lot of the experience, though I could’ve just as easily be moving in the right atmosphere I suppose. Physically the stimulation is very much still there. Instead of rushing, it is now just pretty strong stimulation like maybe 35-40mg of d-amphetamine when peaking.
5:20am – Weed is good. I would be miserable if I didn’t have some herb. I feel somewhat sad but alright at the same time. Two or three more bong rips and I’ll be good. Hopefully I can sleep at like 6am.
5:32am – Just one but I am back in a pretty good mindset. Very sore chest right now and it has been for like 75 mins. I forgot where my grav’s bowel was. I hid it in a different place. Found it in like 2 minutes of searching.
5:45am – I don’t know if I’m going to sleep. I guess I will try at like 6. Who knows. (8h/7h) still felt in stimulation, jaw nonsense, and general highness. I’m still feeling the 4-MMC’s aftereffects strongly.
5:50am – I’m going to lay down. BPM @ 140bpm. Not tired at all.
Laid around for awhile, got up at 8 and smoked like 6 bong rips. Finally slept at like 9ish -12:30pm. Went back to sleep until 3:30ish. My lips are all swollen and bright red. They’re a little raw to the touch. Never gotten that quite so bad before. Front half of my tongue feels very similar. Afterglow noticeable in the form of a nice lighthearted mood.
The report is really long-winded. The stuff made concentration and though flow effortless. Far more so than amphetamine. I really want to do more. Urges yes, not quite cravings though. By far the most orgasmic, euphoric thing I have ever experienced. The peak was really just unreal. The duration of the really good effects was a good 6 hours, and another 4 or so until it was possible to sleep when really baked.
I’ve fixed a lot of spelling and grammar errors but there are still loads of them.
Overall pros and cons
PROS
- Most intense euphoria ever experienced (previously most euphoric tried heroin, MDA, oxycodone, methylone, amphetamine). Blows them off the face of the fucking earth.
- Immensely positive experience. Seems pretty impossible to have a bad experience in any way (with correct dose)
- Extremely powerful experience. Never tried MDMA but I cannot imagine it would be better than this. Easily multitudes better than MDA and MDMC (methylone).
- Orgasms last a good 6 solid hours with the doses I took.
CONS
- Heart rate was almost inhuman. Peaking on both doses it maxed out at 190-195BPM, and I wasn't even doing anything. 200 is supposedly the maximum times my heart is physically capable of beating in 60 seconds.
- Body was heated up. Cold will not make you feel cold. Keep hydrated or you'll regret it.
- Raw, swollen lips and even tongue from the insane jaw action induced by 4-MMC. This could be lessened if you could actually remember to sip water every few minutes.
- Duration. Unlike MDMA, MDMC, MDA, etc., this stuff lasts a good 10-12 hours total before sleep is a possibility (and this is with good bud), with the doses I took.
Ziet er uit als heel leuk spul, maar vanwege dat hartslag gebeuren weet ik niet of het aan te raden is op een hardcore feest
- weight - 155lbs
- average height for my weight (5'10")
- average/above average tolerence to alcohol
- average reaction to everything I try
- drug use in week following experience: 2.5g's of Ketamine spread throughout the week, marijuana smoked for half or less of the days within the past week.
9:45pm - Dose ~200mg (in distilled H2O) in a shot with root beer. Even in like the root beer, it was intensely bitter (maybe like ½ that of DXM HBr powder). I held my nose and didn’t taste it, but it’d of been really bitter and nasty if I did. Worse than methylone (which was drinkable in a like water), but it went down easy and smooth.
9:50pm – I’m feeling a little nauseous. But really it’s just because I didn’t know whether to expect it. The feeling seemed psychosomatic as it disappeared within 5-10 minutes and started about 5 minutes after ingestion). Take 2 huge bong rips of momma kush (and another smaller one)
10pm - feel odd, heart rate seems fast and hard. Like highly so but I am not worried. So I am probably fine.
10:07pm - heart rate seems like it’s gotten a little harder. I should have taken Vitamin C. I will now. Maybe I can safe myself a little.
10:10pm - starting to feel VERY euphoric and a really nice body high. Reminds me of methylone a little (the body high), but far more orgasmic. Lots of teeth grinding, I'm watching that. Took 2 vitamin C, gagged on the 3rd, will try now.
(beginning of peak) 10:11pm - take the 3rd. Three grams of Vitamin C (now drank .25L of water since 9:45pm) should help protect my brain against the obvious neurotoxicity of something like 4-methylmethcathinone. I've read some insane shit about this stuff.
10:15pm - heartbeat feels less POUNDING and faster. I feel better about that. I feel INCREDOBLE. Music sounds amazing. This is extremely immensely euphoric like holy fuck. Better than methylone I think.
10:20pm - Feel amazing. Seems to have topped out. I seem to be peaking.
10:28pm - music appreciation is through the roof. Music is amazing. FUCKING AMAZING. I'm dancing and shit in the chair. (Love On My Mind (Original DJ Hope Mixshow Edit) // Freemasons Feat. Amanda Wilson)
10:37pm - going STRONG. Goddamn the body high is just fantastic, as is the mental high. Not as stoning as methylone, it’s nice. Methylone can be a little stimulating on the body and stoning on the mind, which can be a little difficult.
10:45pm - Seems to be lapses in euphoria, still peaking though. Taking another 100mg same as before.
10:52pm - starting to feel even more incredible. Vision is doing weird things. Eyeball twitching whatever that's called scientifically (nystigmus). Ugh I am in fucking heaven x1,000,000,000!!!
(peaking + beg. of 2nd peak) 10:54pm - Experiencing strongest euphoria I have experienced in anything I've EVER done. Holy fuck!!! What a ride!!!! If I compared 4-methylmethcathinone in nothing but euphoria with methylone, formally one of the most euphoric things I've done (oxycodone to a lesser extent, LSD and shrooms have been the most blissful), 2-4x realistically. Imagine 2-4 TIMES the intensity. Heart beating hard. BPM 190. DAMN!!! Fucking HELL that's high.
11:00pm - Complete body orgasm just raging on and on. Powerful mind orgasiming along with infinite bliss. Absolute INSANITY. Moved the report to Word. Mental tasks remain a breeze. Body high feels like a continuous furious orgasm.
11:05pm – put on headphones and am rocking out with the music LOUD. Euphoria is too much to describe in words. Unfuckingreal. Don’t even call it euphoria, call it orgasm. This stuff must REALLY FUCK the dopamine receptors. I hope I don’t crash unbelievably hard. Experience is highly preferable over methylone and MDA.
11:13pm – Rocking the fuck out. Orgasiming still, haha. Music is pretty damn awesome. I am fucked up, and would not be able to act normally. Walking is odd and the body high is a bit heavy in a light way.
11:15pm – put on Foo Fighter’s album One By One. Awesome album. Mouth has been drying and reminding me to drink water often, I don’t remember otherwise, lucky me J. Like ever 3-4 mins. Take some gulps.
11:25pm – just spent 3 minutes bolding the times, adding PM’s and a sentence at the beginning. Doing things is a breeze mentally.
11:38pm – Enjoying the hell out of myself. Talking to people on AIM and posting on HF (haha). I’ve been switching around to dance, trance, and rock.
11:43pm – Lots of teeth grinding. I’m managing to keep it to a small amount, but I am grinding lightly a little bit. Jaw is constantly moving. I can do anything I want/need to do if I concentrate even a little (Has been this way throughout entire experience), though I wouldn’t drive on this. I drove on methylone and did completely fine but I wouldn’t on this.
11:49pm – Water is highly necessary. I automatically remember every 3-5 minutes or so minutes. It makes you REALLY thirsty when it comes time. It would be easy to forget if I was ‘clubbing’, haha.
11:55pm – I think physical activity, like dancing or anything like that, would easily get extremely tiring. It’s not the pot because I went away 5 minutes. Maybe it was but I’m on a powerful empathogen.
12:00am – Still peaking strongly. All effects have been constant since I came up. 100mg’s was the perfect booster. Moving feels amazing.
(2h 10m since 1st peak started) 12:21am – Talking to people online is fantastic. No overwhelming need for physical company like with methylone. BPM: 155. I’ve never measured BPM before but I read a lot about this drug being pretty hard on the heart. It’s interesting to know I’m probably going to start coming down soon.
12:26am – Tactile sensation is fantastic. Much more so than with methylone. The blankets and pillows on my couch make me happy when I touch them. Heh >_>
12:28am – Since like 12:15 I’ve felt pretty hot, like it’s maybe 77-80F in here when it’s actually It’s 68-70F. I’ve drank a liter of water so far and half a can of root beer (6 ounces – 177mL). Water does a better job, obviously. Can’t waste root beer though! Taste has not really been enhanced that much.
1:02am – I hadn’t really lost track of time. I’m holding like 3 or so conversations at the moment. I closed this because it was getting glitch-y and forgot to open it. I was hot for like 10 minutes. Started to get hot again, this time more like 75F (if that was the room temp).
1:06pm – BPM: 130-140. I’m using a stopwatch for these. Amount of beats in six seconds times ten, taking an average of 3 quick trials. Hotness has lessened.
(~2h since 2nd peak started) 1:15pm – Time is not as dilated as it was. 10 minutes felt like awhile. Though I won’t put any minutes for that because it’s more like you just don’t notice t.he cock. I don’t want to give people expectations. Euphoria has diminish by maybe 5-8% overall
1:30am – Have drunk like 1.5L of water now. I sort of lost track. 1.5-2L. Not nearly enough
1:35am - I’ve really irritated by upper lips and the skin right above them with the tongue thing that tends to happen on all stimulants when you take a lot. It gets red. It comes from your mouth drying out and it’s all rough without the saliva to lubricate it. I put on some pomegranate Burt’s Bee’s, the best ‘lip balm’ ever =).
1:40am – Experience is still going on 85% of the high point in the peak (estimation obviously). Pulse is 140. I wish I could’ve measured my blood pressure but I haven’t noticed any of the side effects that come with that (messed up vision, feeling the general discomfort, tingling, etc).
1:50am - I was hoping to get 3-4 good hours so I ‘m happy. It will probably last another 1-1.5h without diminishing below %70-75 unless it drops off really fast at one point. I’m sort of expecting a mix between the 2. I remember people saying this has no comedown. But I boosted with half the original dose so here’s hoping.
1:55am – Writing and holding sober-literate conversations has been a breeze. I tend to ramble a lot though, as you can probably tell. In real life, it would probably be tougher. Though speaking is not difficult right now. It feels a lot like the mental clarity of some extremely pure speed, but much more flowing.
2:15am – Still feel a good 75% of the drug raging. Euphoria is still quite powerful and there is still a lot of rushing. 4h 30m since original dose and everything is still strong. I find it very odd I don’t feel alone on this, though I have been talking with like 8 or 9 people during the course of the effects. With methylone I felt I HAD to be with someone else. Dosed 200mg’s, came up, ands HAD to drive to ex’s house (not an ex then, lol).
2:40am – It’s easy to forget to drink water, especially if you’re actually doing something (like out somewhere). Make a point in your mind to sip every couple of minutes and that you will probably forget if you don’t implant that into your brain before you come up. Doing any mental task has been pretty easy and quick (Conversations, math (simple), writing, etc.). Though I can ramble about anything I start talking about. It’s more like an anti-ADD drug. Switching often and staying intensely focused on what you’re doing at that moment only.
2:45am – I can’t believe this. It’s been 5h/4h since dose/booster and still going quite strong, though it’s starting to go away a little in ways I can’t really place my finger on. Slight anxiety noticed. It would be worse and prevalent if I was around anyone who didn’t know I was on it and would be annoyed at me for it.
3:00am - Had 2.5L of water over the experience. I’d of probably had a liter more if I remembered more often. The thirst is enough to remind you when you switch things you’re doing and aren’t so heavily focused on what you’re doing. Body is beginning to feel physical fatigue in all muscles. BPM before smoke (last measure was at 1:06 @ 130-140): ~145. It has not decreased much over the past few hours. Going to take a few rips of Kush. I still feel GREAT and am not using the weed for a ‘comedown’ at this point.
3:20am – Finally hit 3 huge rips of the Kush in the gravity bong. Euphoria of the 4-MMC was at slightly more than half the peak feelings. This is very strange. It’s most than likely the booster? It’s almost like it’ll just weaken until it goes away. And maybe not produce a brutal crash or comedown, or any.
3:28am – Pretty stoned. I love how gravity bong hits develop. Now I just feel retarded in the head. 4-MMC is still somewhat euphoric, decent amount of rushing. I can’t believe I’ve seen sitting at the PC all this time, or most of it. Eh I like to get a feel for it in my basement where if something happens I’ll be fine.
3:45am – 6h/5h since dose/booster. Pretty much the fun part is over, as it slowly keeps getting less euphoric and more anxious. Not too bad, but I guess compared to being on 4-MMC, sobriety would feel like anxiety and shit, plus the neurotransmitter drain. The pulse rate topping at 190BPM for me when my pulse rate maximum is 200bpm for my age (supposedly 220 – age = max heart rate) is pretty scary, even though I’m pretty healthy and fairly active and that’s just general. At this point I suppose it becomes life threatening or damaging internal side effects might occur (some 4-8 hours? Of 190-150bpm? And it goes back up with weed?). I wouldn’t take another dose because I feel I’ve strained my heart more than enough. I did that too much with d-amphetamine. Pulse rate is back up to ~175bpm. I figured weed does this to me when I’m pretty high, that’s why I’m only smoking a few hits.
4am – If you didn’t notice. Writing is awesome on 4-MMC. Thoughts flow easily and quickly. Pulse @ 160bpm. I’m still pretty active and hyper, but I’m sitting down. Still lots of jaw movement like teeth grinding, constantly licking lips when not fully hydrated (happens on moderate doses on amphetamine) and just general effects of being cracked out on a powerful stimulant. Music has lost it’s empathogenic tone. Music sounds pretty normal now. I’m Still pretty euphoric between the weed and the receding 4-MMC effects.
4:10am – Pulse @ 140-150bpm. Chest is sore in the heart region. Feels like the heart itself.
4:20am – Eh the anxiety has gotten worse. The weed is keeping things fine though, at least it seems. It’s fairly bad when I concentrate on it. It’s like an intense loneliness because you feel so chemically (and therefore emotionally) drained, and surprisingly still not missing real life people so much. I feel a light emptiness (emotional). Thank god for marijuana!
4:30am – The 4-methylmethcathinone is definitely wearing off. It’s leaving behind super milked receptors. It’d be cool if I just had some l-tyrosine, as I don’t feel like eating. Waves of moderate anxiety noticed every 3-5 minutes. Cotton mouth from these things combined has made it nearly impossible to keep moist very well. It was one hell of a ride, just orgasm in drug form. As long as you can supplement the comedown with l-tyrosine and 5-HTP (probably would be helpful), and have weed or maybe benzos on hand. Careful….
4:36am – Pulse @150bpm
4:45am – 7h/6h since dose/booster (200mg/100mg) . Overall, while it was complete heaven in nearly every way, I’m going to try 150mg/100mg(75?) next dose. I think it’s a little too much on the heart at 300 total. I can’t believe boosting made it go for so long. Pulse @ 140bpm. I seem to be peeing out a lot of the water I’m drinking. Blah.
4:54am – Peed. Feel much better. I don’t care to get up until it’s really urgent, lol. This post-peak period from like .
5:16am - In much of the time I’m not physically typing, I’m reviewing, changing and fixing this report like crazy. It definitely makes you extremely motivated to do work, in a sort of half-insane, cracked out way. I’ve been fine sitting down a lot of the experience, though I could’ve just as easily be moving in the right atmosphere I suppose. Physically the stimulation is very much still there. Instead of rushing, it is now just pretty strong stimulation like maybe 35-40mg of d-amphetamine when peaking.
5:20am – Weed is good. I would be miserable if I didn’t have some herb. I feel somewhat sad but alright at the same time. Two or three more bong rips and I’ll be good. Hopefully I can sleep at like 6am.
5:32am – Just one but I am back in a pretty good mindset. Very sore chest right now and it has been for like 75 mins. I forgot where my grav’s bowel was. I hid it in a different place. Found it in like 2 minutes of searching.
5:45am – I don’t know if I’m going to sleep. I guess I will try at like 6. Who knows. (8h/7h) still felt in stimulation, jaw nonsense, and general highness. I’m still feeling the 4-MMC’s aftereffects strongly.
5:50am – I’m going to lay down. BPM @ 140bpm. Not tired at all.
Laid around for awhile, got up at 8 and smoked like 6 bong rips. Finally slept at like 9ish -12:30pm. Went back to sleep until 3:30ish. My lips are all swollen and bright red. They’re a little raw to the touch. Never gotten that quite so bad before. Front half of my tongue feels very similar. Afterglow noticeable in the form of a nice lighthearted mood.
The report is really long-winded. The stuff made concentration and though flow effortless. Far more so than amphetamine. I really want to do more. Urges yes, not quite cravings though. By far the most orgasmic, euphoric thing I have ever experienced. The peak was really just unreal. The duration of the really good effects was a good 6 hours, and another 4 or so until it was possible to sleep when really baked.
I’ve fixed a lot of spelling and grammar errors but there are still loads of them.
Overall pros and cons
PROS
- Most intense euphoria ever experienced (previously most euphoric tried heroin, MDA, oxycodone, methylone, amphetamine). Blows them off the face of the fucking earth.
- Immensely positive experience. Seems pretty impossible to have a bad experience in any way (with correct dose)
- Extremely powerful experience. Never tried MDMA but I cannot imagine it would be better than this. Easily multitudes better than MDA and MDMC (methylone).
- Orgasms last a good 6 solid hours with the doses I took.
CONS
- Heart rate was almost inhuman. Peaking on both doses it maxed out at 190-195BPM, and I wasn't even doing anything. 200 is supposedly the maximum times my heart is physically capable of beating in 60 seconds.
- Body was heated up. Cold will not make you feel cold. Keep hydrated or you'll regret it.
- Raw, swollen lips and even tongue from the insane jaw action induced by 4-MMC. This could be lessened if you could actually remember to sip water every few minutes.
- Duration. Unlike MDMA, MDMC, MDA, etc., this stuff lasts a good 10-12 hours total before sleep is a possibility (and this is with good bud), with the doses I took.
Ziet er uit als heel leuk spul, maar vanwege dat hartslag gebeuren weet ik niet of het aan te raden is op een hardcore feest
laatste aanpassing
Ik heb ff beetje gegoogled, maar de minimale bestelling is al 10 gram = ruim 200 eurotjes. Vind ik nogal wat...straks is het gaar spul en zit je met 10 gram van die zooi. Zodra er meer over bekend is, en het in wat kleinere hoeveelheden te krijgen is, wil ik het wel een keer proberen. Tot die tijd wacht ik nog even.
haha, weet niet waar jij gekeken hebt, maar hier kan je gewoon vanaf 1g bestellen, en 10g betaal je 95 pond (hint hint) voor.
http://www.jmdweb.co.uk/index.php?page=shop.browse&category_id=15&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=79&vmcchk=1&Itemid=79
hier te bestellen, geen ervaring met deze website...
hier te bestellen, geen ervaring met deze website...
Wat is een "normale" hartslag onder bijv MDMA of amfetamine dan? Kan dat nergens vinden eigenlijk...
Ja oke.. maar is het dan net zo "dramatisch" als met mephedrone? deze persoon spreekt over 190bpm en volgens mij haal je dat sowieso met MDMA niet... verschilt natuurlijk oko per persoon ik ga volgende x dat ik X op heb wel even opmeten wat mijne is, in rust is mijn hartslag gelukkig sowieso gezond dus (70)
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Interessant zo lijkt het, dit spul.
Spul met veel nare bijwerkingen. Echt genieten deed ik er niet van.
Goede muziek begint vanaf 200 BPM 
maar ik wordt er echt niet vrolijk van als mijn hart dat probeert te halen! Niets voor mij dus.
maar ik wordt er echt niet vrolijk van als mijn hart dat probeert te halen! Niets voor mij dus.Uitspraak van verwijderd op dinsdag 10 maart 2009 om 11:18:maar ik wordt er echt niet vrolijk van als mijn hart dat probeert te halen! Niets voor mij dus.
Dat lijkt mij ook niks, daarom laat ik dit goedje maar links liggen
Tevens wil ik gewoon na een nacht feesten kunnen slapen en niet als een zombie wakker zijn omdat je wel wilt slapen maar niet kan.
Uitspraak van Dr. Struggleghbop dinsdag 10 maart 2009 om 16:36:
= ook errug lekker maar ik heb het nog nooit gebruikt als slaapmutsje. Vind de combo upper/downer toch een beetje griezelig klinken.
Uitspraak van verwijderd op dinsdag 10 maart 2009 om 22:55:= ook errug lekker maar ik heb het nog nooit gebruikt als slaapmutsje. Vind de combo upper/downer toch een beetje griezelig klinken.
perfecte slaapzak zelf
combi van uppers en downers geeft wel het meest wazige effect
vaag gegarandeerd
idd, een 
als je pil aan het uitwerken is en je snapt er geen reet meer van
als je pil aan het uitwerken is en je snapt er geen reet meer vanUitspraak van Dr. Strugglevaag gegarandeerd
Dat klinkt dan wel weer erg fijn
!Toch maar eens proberen dan!
jah het werkt kort dus je neemt maar bij en bij
en het heeft de meest ranzig kater
en het heeft de meest ranzig kater
zo'n langdurige hoge hartslag is echt niet goed voor je
nu is deze gast gezond, maar als je maar enigszins een slechter hart cq bloedvaten hebt, dan loopt dit toch echt niet goed af
nu is deze gast gezond, maar als je maar enigszins een slechter hart cq bloedvaten hebt, dan loopt dit toch echt niet goed af
Naam en goedje is me wel een beetje bekend, nog geen ervaring mee echter, keertje verandering in brengen, dat wel.
interessant
Uitspraak van verwijderd op maandag 9 maart 2009 om 12:14:en 10g betaal je 95 pond (hint hint) voor.
interessant
Pharmacological: 4-Methylmethcathinone aka mepherdrone is sympathomimetic stimulant. From proposed SAR modelling, 4-methylmethcathinone is expected to have similar pharmacological properties to methcathinone, but with increased activity on the serotonin neurotransmitter systems. Methcathinone is suggested as being more potent than its parent cathinone, and methamphetamine (1)
Methcathinone is a drug with a high abuse potential, with prolonged, high dosages known to cause psychosis and withdrawal tremors. Methcathinone is regarded as being similar in profile to methamphetamine in relation to neurotoxicity, with marked decreases in DA levels noted among abstinent users. While generally below levels associated with Parkinsons Disease, this is considered to be demonstrative of permanent, or semi permanent neurological damage (2)
Quote:
Compared with controls, abstinent methamphetamine
and methcathinone users had significant decreases in
DAT density in the caudate nucleus (223 and 224%, respectively)
and putamen (225 and 216%, respectively).
It can be speculated that the para substituted compound 4-methylmethcathinone may have reduced stimulant activity, but as said, its likely to have additional affect on serotonin via both monoamine reuptake/ SERT inhibition and direct agonist affects of the 5HT2b receptors. Concerns have been raised regarding the actions of 4-methylmethcathinone in relation to peripheral 5HT (serotonin) stimulation and how that, combined with other catecholamine activity, may be dangerous to the heart.
In a similar manner to which pulmonary hypertension is caused by peripheral 5HT produced by gastrointestinal carcinoid tumours (and some argue 5HTP), other 5HT2b agonists have been found to cause this effect, which would be exacerbated by increased DA/NE levels and their corresponding affect on the heart. Longer term, such stimulation has been shown to result in fibroblast mitosis of the mitral valve of the left atrium (specifically the Chordae Tendineae). (3,4)
While it has yet to be demonstrated by means of scientific study that 4-methylmethcathinone produces these effects, I believe it's wise to consider carefully the possible toxicity of this compound if you're intending to ingest or otherwise consume products containing this drug.
Methcathinone is a drug with a high abuse potential, with prolonged, high dosages known to cause psychosis and withdrawal tremors. Methcathinone is regarded as being similar in profile to methamphetamine in relation to neurotoxicity, with marked decreases in DA levels noted among abstinent users. While generally below levels associated with Parkinsons Disease, this is considered to be demonstrative of permanent, or semi permanent neurological damage (2)
Quote:
Compared with controls, abstinent methamphetamine
and methcathinone users had significant decreases in
DAT density in the caudate nucleus (223 and 224%, respectively)
and putamen (225 and 216%, respectively).
It can be speculated that the para substituted compound 4-methylmethcathinone may have reduced stimulant activity, but as said, its likely to have additional affect on serotonin via both monoamine reuptake/ SERT inhibition and direct agonist affects of the 5HT2b receptors. Concerns have been raised regarding the actions of 4-methylmethcathinone in relation to peripheral 5HT (serotonin) stimulation and how that, combined with other catecholamine activity, may be dangerous to the heart.
In a similar manner to which pulmonary hypertension is caused by peripheral 5HT produced by gastrointestinal carcinoid tumours (and some argue 5HTP), other 5HT2b agonists have been found to cause this effect, which would be exacerbated by increased DA/NE levels and their corresponding affect on the heart. Longer term, such stimulation has been shown to result in fibroblast mitosis of the mitral valve of the left atrium (specifically the Chordae Tendineae). (3,4)
While it has yet to be demonstrated by means of scientific study that 4-methylmethcathinone produces these effects, I believe it's wise to consider carefully the possible toxicity of this compound if you're intending to ingest or otherwise consume products containing this drug.
Heb een tijdje geleden een grammetje gehaald van dat spul.
Ik had ongeveer 150mg oraal ingenomen en de rest van de avond puntjes van gesnoven. In totaal een halve gram opgemaakt op die avond.
Best lekker spul (niet qua smaak, maar daar wen je uiteindelijk wel aan), redelijke bodyrush maar niet die extra touch die mdma geeft.
Dagen erna totaal geen kater of rare uitwerking, helemaal 100% fit.
Is absoluut het proberen waard, leuk alternatief voor mdma aangezien dit amper meer te vinden is.
Ik had ongeveer 150mg oraal ingenomen en de rest van de avond puntjes van gesnoven. In totaal een halve gram opgemaakt op die avond.
Best lekker spul (niet qua smaak, maar daar wen je uiteindelijk wel aan), redelijke bodyrush maar niet die extra touch die mdma geeft.
Dagen erna totaal geen kater of rare uitwerking, helemaal 100% fit.
Is absoluut het proberen waard, leuk alternatief voor mdma aangezien dit amper meer te vinden is.
Uitspraak van verwijderd op zondag 22 maart 2009 om 17:44:Dat klinkt dan wel weer erg fijn
Toch maar eens proberen dan!
eerst een lijn pep, dan een vingertop MDMA of een pilletje en een dosis GHB erbij
na een half uurtje word het wel een wazig vaag gedoe allemaal
pas op met drank erbij, want zoals je weet alcohol en ghb gaan niet echt goed samen
iemand ook daadwerkelijk ervaring met het bestellen hiervan online bij zo'n engelse shop? zie er meerdere online maar ja..sommige sites zien er ook weer niet zo professioneel / betrouwbaar uit..
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Ja heb daar ervaring mee. Ging perfect.